New Mesa Thread
09-06-2015, 10:25 AM
#1051
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Now, they did just spend 500,000$ getting Casper the friendly 200 flying again, and had budgeted 1 million originally for that.
Rumor is, there are more 900's coming our way if JO can convince the lenders.
09-06-2015, 10:37 AM
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Mesa is not in the same situation as Eagle. Of course, they don't have money for a better contract. In the future, they need to learn to make money so that their employees can keep up with the rest. If they cannot, they should close the doors. The only people that disagree with me are people that have spent 15+ years slaving away and are too afraid to make a jump or one that doesn't make sense now.
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The truth to the matter is, as a CA at Mesa, my QOL has NEVER been as good as it is now, and it provides everything I need for my family, except for decent health care... Thats the one thing that truly stings my family.
We can vote no all we want, we are not going to get decent health care without a major disruption, and only if it is clear that disruption was caused by our lack of decent health care.
09-06-2015, 10:49 AM
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Another idea would be to just boost everyone's hourly rate by $2.50 - that's what 14.7 million over 5 years would get everyone. Or $2.00 and use the rest for other improvements. That said, I think that's still woefully underpaid and still wouldn't vote for that. Also, am I the only one that thinks Captains should all get paid the highest 900 rate for all equipment? If a guy flies out of Dulles, the job isn't any different than if he flies out of Texas or Arizona.
The pilot shortage alone will give all regional pilots substantially more leverage in the next few years. Look at the fundamental difference in management philosophy between Mesa and SkyWest. JO kept first year FO rates right where they were. SkyWest put the bulk of their new contract in first year rates, even adding a clause allowing management to increase it to $36.50 if they had trouble recruiting. What a contrast. SkyWest understands they'll have difficulty recruiting over the next couple years and the pilots will gain significantly more leverage. JO has been insulated from that thought process because he's been able to fill classes. What happens when he can't?
One other idea: regional unions shouldn't publicize how low their pay rates are relative to Horizon or SkyWest during negotiations. We should advertise to the public and Congress that we make 20-30% as much as the same position at United/Delta/American.
The pilot shortage alone will give all regional pilots substantially more leverage in the next few years. Look at the fundamental difference in management philosophy between Mesa and SkyWest. JO kept first year FO rates right where they were. SkyWest put the bulk of their new contract in first year rates, even adding a clause allowing management to increase it to $36.50 if they had trouble recruiting. What a contrast. SkyWest understands they'll have difficulty recruiting over the next couple years and the pilots will gain significantly more leverage. JO has been insulated from that thought process because he's been able to fill classes. What happens when he can't?
One other idea: regional unions shouldn't publicize how low their pay rates are relative to Horizon or SkyWest during negotiations. We should advertise to the public and Congress that we make 20-30% as much as the same position at United/Delta/American.
Voting no isn't going to accelerate our getting paid any better. The only thing that will increase our pay will be not getting enough people in the door. Only once that happens will the company have ANY incentive to start fixing the problem.
The company is not prohibited from coming back to the table to negotiate higher pay rates during the term of the contract. That's what LOA's are all about. A lot of the TA is actually LOA language we've been living under since 2012 that is now being put into the main body of the contract.
Lastly, you want higher pay rates in lieu of quality of life improvements. Apparently when the union surveyed the pilot group a few years ago, the overall feeling was to focus on quality of life improvements at the time, so that's what they negotiated.
09-06-2015, 10:54 AM
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Mesa is not in the same situation as Eagle. Of course, they don't have money for a better contract. In the future, they need to learn to make money so that their employees can keep up with the rest. If they cannot, they should close the doors. The only people that disagree with me are people that have spent 15+ years slaving away and are too afraid to make a jump or one that doesn't make sense now.
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09-06-2015, 11:50 AM
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And now things have changed. New guys coming into the industry are drowning in debt. Now it's, FYPM.
09-06-2015, 11:50 AM
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I don't see you volunteering on your days off to help the pilot group. Up until I went to the road show, I really couldn't put any faces to names. Come to find out one of the negotiators is a CA that I enjoyed flying with, who is a good person.
09-06-2015, 11:50 AM
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"Our voting no isn't going to force Mesa into learning that lesson. Only not being able to hire people will (eventually) either force Mesa out of business or force it to pay competitively."
Your vote IS going to make a difference. It is so sad that some in Mesa's pilot group are so brainwashed by this abusive industry, that they don't realize the power they have. Your skills and knowledge are in great demand. You have been abused by this industry for so long that you don't even see that.
If you believe that running out of qualified applicants is the only way to return the pilot profession to a viable profession that will entice people to go through the extensive training, time, and money commitment, that it takes to get here, then stand by. Because whether you realize it or not, the industry IS there. Educate yourself. Your skills are in very high demand.
Your vote IS going to make a difference. It is so sad that some in Mesa's pilot group are so brainwashed by this abusive industry, that they don't realize the power they have. Your skills and knowledge are in great demand. You have been abused by this industry for so long that you don't even see that.
If you believe that running out of qualified applicants is the only way to return the pilot profession to a viable profession that will entice people to go through the extensive training, time, and money commitment, that it takes to get here, then stand by. Because whether you realize it or not, the industry IS there. Educate yourself. Your skills are in very high demand.
09-06-2015, 12:04 PM
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"Our voting no isn't going to force Mesa into learning that lesson. Only not being able to hire people will (eventually) either force Mesa out of business or force it to pay competitively."
Your vote IS going to make a difference. It is so sad that some in Mesa's pilot group are so brainwashed by this abusive industry, that they don't realize the power they have. Your skills and knowledge are in great demand. You have been abused by this industry for so long that you don't even see that.
If you believe that running out of qualified applicants is the only way to return the pilot profession to a viable profession that will entice people to go through the extensive training, time, and money commitment, that it takes to get here, then stand by. Because whether you realize it or not, the industry IS there. Educate yourself. Your skills are in very high demand.
Your vote IS going to make a difference. It is so sad that some in Mesa's pilot group are so brainwashed by this abusive industry, that they don't realize the power they have. Your skills and knowledge are in great demand. You have been abused by this industry for so long that you don't even see that.
If you believe that running out of qualified applicants is the only way to return the pilot profession to a viable profession that will entice people to go through the extensive training, time, and money commitment, that it takes to get here, then stand by. Because whether you realize it or not, the industry IS there. Educate yourself. Your skills are in very high demand.
09-06-2015, 12:20 PM
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"Our voting no isn't going to force Mesa into learning that lesson. Only not being able to hire people will (eventually) either force Mesa out of business or force it to pay competitively."
Your vote IS going to make a difference. It is so sad that some in Mesa's pilot group are so brainwashed by this abusive industry, that they don't realize the power they have. Your skills and knowledge are in great demand. You have been abused by this industry for so long that you don't even see that.
If you believe that running out of qualified applicants is the only way to return the pilot profession to a viable profession that will entice people to go through the extensive training, time, and money commitment, that it takes to get here, then stand by. Because whether you realize it or not, the industry IS there. Educate yourself. Your skills are in very high demand.
Your vote IS going to make a difference. It is so sad that some in Mesa's pilot group are so brainwashed by this abusive industry, that they don't realize the power they have. Your skills and knowledge are in great demand. You have been abused by this industry for so long that you don't even see that.
If you believe that running out of qualified applicants is the only way to return the pilot profession to a viable profession that will entice people to go through the extensive training, time, and money commitment, that it takes to get here, then stand by. Because whether you realize it or not, the industry IS there. Educate yourself. Your skills are in very high demand.
IF we have so much power by voting "no", tell me what will this power produce, and how?
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