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09-05-2015, 03:03 PM
#1012
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If this magical gee-whiz pay calculator is just an Excel spreadsheet, why won't they send it out to the pilot group?
If they won't let me look "under the hood" at the formulas/assumptions they're using, I'm going to go ape**** on them.
If they won't let me look "under the hood" at the formulas/assumptions they're using, I'm going to go ape**** on them.
09-05-2015, 04:42 PM
#1013
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You can vote no all you want, strong language on controls of flica, and reserve buffers is something the company will never budge on. They will go under before they let go of that. Sorry they wouldn't drop your trip, your best option is to quit Mesa, and go somewhere like PSA where they don't dick around with flica.
09-05-2015, 04:44 PM
#1014
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09-05-2015, 04:46 PM
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09-05-2015, 06:13 PM
#1018
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Haha because it's worked so well at Republic, Gojet, and more recently at Horizon. The mother organization has nothing to do with the idiots that actually work at Mesa doing the negotiating.
09-05-2015, 07:12 PM
#1020
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I went to the road show, I heard the other side, and it has allowed me to remove all emotion, and only look at things from a logical standpoint. I encourage you all to attend the road show, show the same fervor there as you do here, ask the hard questions, and hear the side from the negotiating side. All I see on here is emotion based decision making. Vent out your emotion at the roadshow, get it out of your system, and think with a clearer mind.
Really it comes down to this simple question.. If it is voted down, do you believe the company will come back with something better in a year or less? If you do believe the company WILL offer something better, then vote no.
Also, the Flight Attendants are negotiating for their contract as well. I personally would find it hilarious if we vote it down, all the money earmarked for us went straight to them!
As far as the Teamsters are concerned, ALPA has a conflict of interest representing mainline and also regionals, for obvious reasons. Regionals need to have their own union, send Alpa a message to get serious with the regionals.
And I am not a firm Yes or No voter. Used to be a firm No, but the section on scheduling basically reboots the entire scheduling system into something I believe to be much better for our QOL, and I only gained that insight by going to the roadshow.
As far as the excel spreadsheet, they did a good job explaining the formulas, and it worked out to be about 15k more in everyones pockets over a 5 year period. Nothing to put a smile on your face, but better than what we have now.
Really, this vote is nothing more than a gamble.
Really it comes down to this simple question.. If it is voted down, do you believe the company will come back with something better in a year or less? If you do believe the company WILL offer something better, then vote no.
Also, the Flight Attendants are negotiating for their contract as well. I personally would find it hilarious if we vote it down, all the money earmarked for us went straight to them!
As far as the Teamsters are concerned, ALPA has a conflict of interest representing mainline and also regionals, for obvious reasons. Regionals need to have their own union, send Alpa a message to get serious with the regionals.
And I am not a firm Yes or No voter. Used to be a firm No, but the section on scheduling basically reboots the entire scheduling system into something I believe to be much better for our QOL, and I only gained that insight by going to the roadshow.
As far as the excel spreadsheet, they did a good job explaining the formulas, and it worked out to be about 15k more in everyones pockets over a 5 year period. Nothing to put a smile on your face, but better than what we have now.
Really, this vote is nothing more than a gamble.
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