skillett

Study till 7pm. Buzzed at 9pm, asleep by 10pm, 8 hours sleep then to class. Not near an aircraft the next day. What's wrong with that?

NightHawk

Oh No! You mean they had only 10 hours to sober up before getting behind a desk? At least they did something together, a sign of teamwork. You sound like the guy who spends the whole time alone in your room by your self, looking down on others. Nobody wants to spend a 4 day with a hater like you, good luck.

skillett

That's why I brought this up. If they are going to put up fences then the base pay for CLT and PHX would have to be 900 pay. What about Iad and Ord? They are 76 seat aircraft. Equal size. Does the seating capacity have to be more to move over. We will only have 38 aircraft with 79 seats for future scope. How could they get around this or can they?

Navmode

Technically there's a 200 in CLT; even if it hasn't flown yet. With the closing of OGG/LIH/KOA, and the shrinking of HNL, I wouldn't be surprised if the 200 fleet were in the works to fly under a different partner.

sidestep

How many pilots left in Hawaii? All now in HNL?

skillett

Yes I understand two training events, thanks. Even with 1 CRJ 200 in CLT or wherever, that's 50 seat base pay. I would think Mesa's best route would be to get rid of all CRJ 200's and make the base pay 76 seats to avoid fence crossing. I wouldn't be surprised if Mesa talks United into making one of these Emb 175's a 50 seat extra first class airplane to save them millions in training or higher base pay. I'm sure Mesa would cover the lost revenue on this one airplane to save them a ton of money in the long run. Never mind that. If you lose 26 seats of revenue with higher fuel burn. And you know you will never fill all of first class. 8 flights a day min, that would be pretty damn expensive. I think they're in a rock and a hard place. Either pay at least 76 seat pay rates min. Or let us cross the fence for greener pastures. I just hope that they have one bid with a chance to cross. Got some good buddies that would like that shorter commute.

Chrisw

Sooo you have had numerous FO's hired with no PIC. Would you disagree that PIC makes it easier to get hired? By a lot? Now for your ridiculous assumptions about someone you don't know... No failures. No DUI. Associates degree and taking classes. Will be done in 2 years or less with a bachelors easily. Then you proceed to talk about the challenges of getting to mainline. Wait a minute... Two sentences ago FO's were getting hired. Guess it isn't all that hard after all? Maybe you just need to justify why YOU can't get a job? That would explain a lot. I know people at EVERY major airline in the US. The two chief pilots and one recruiter I know personally all tell me that with PIC I will get an interview and at delta and united I need to finish the degree and then get the 1000 pic to get a call. I'm not special. I am not the only one that knows people. Not by a long shot. MOST pilots that take career progression seriously know a lot more people at mainline than I do. This business is networking. Perhaps that is why you are still here on a regional forum criticizing people that are likely to get the call before you. I would help out anyone I could to progress in their career. Even you! When I move on wherever it is I won't forget this. If you don't network you will retire on an RJ and while there is NOTHING WRONG with that IF that is what you want, it isn't for me. I do not want to work at the regional level any longer than I need to. The recipe is simple and nobody can deny this. No failures, accidents, violations, or dui's with a degree and pic properly networked will get you calls. It isn't rocket science. Sad thing is, outside of the forum here if I were on your jumpseat and you said, "I want to work at xyz airline" I could probably give you someone to call that you could add to your networking Rolodex that would help you out. And before you say, "no you wouldn't do that..." Yes I would. I don't have a lot of flight time. Chances are I help you out, when I need the help you would help me if I was the one that got you the mainline job. That's the way it works. Backscratching per se. I hate having to "defend" myself here as I am a pretty low key easy going guy just trying to make my way in this business the best I can, but the personal attacks are a little irritating. Even if it is APC and it is to be expected. I know that for me to achieve the goals I want I need PIC time. That's what I'm after. It's that simple.

skillett

I do believe this was the case. Then what is holding them back from just saying the CRJ has a higher earning potential therefore you cannot bid into the EMB 175? Because there is no 50 seat base pay for the EMB 175 type? I assume this is what the problem is.

skillett

No one is taking back scope. They are losing it in bankruptcy. As much as the mainline folks say "hey, we need to save our flying it belongs to us and our brethren's". The top 60 percent of that seniority list is set to retire in the near future. With retirement cost rising rapidly, they will take that pay raise to keep their lifestyle. They have lost their retirement (or could) and have seen their pay decrease over 40 percent. It would be noble but not in their best interest.

skillett

Is PSA the new Mesa? Damn already. That was not even 15 minutes of fame. Expect the whipsaw to continue.