Mesa
07-24-2015, 12:15 PM
#9151
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^^^This. There's no ATM at the end of the tunnel as some of the conspiracy theorists assume. There's no "third set of books'; there's no money and the company is operating on razor-thin margins. Did the company shoot itself in the foot in years past? Yes, and they went into bankruptcy. Are we likely to get more money by voting "no"? No, because our code-share partners quite frankly don't care about anything but D0 and completion rates, and there's not a damn thing that can be done about those because of the RLA, so we have zero leverage; exactly what authors of that piece of crap legislation intended.
I'm voting yes because I want the Quality of Life improvements. If there are truly improvements in the Reserve language, PBS and scheduling language and ability to drop/pick up trips without ever having to deal with Crew Line, I'm all in. Getting rid of the 50-seat language, guys, that's huge and if FOs can get raises to at least buy food and a beer occasionally, that's huge too. No one will ever get rich flying for Mesa, na ga happen... but we can at least take incremental gains; and leave this place a little better for the next bunch of suckers errr...pilots who show up.
I'm guessing that there won't be anything like COLAs for pilots in IAD, because why would there be? It's only the most expensive place ever...No Trip/Duty rigs (again) because sitting in BUF for 30 hours is a perfectly good use of my time; it's just awesome at the mall, right?
And it would be really nice to have hotel language that didn't allow hotels that had the name "Choice" "Microtel" "Ramada" or anything similar. Also, no moving hotels without Union approval, I cite PVD as a specific case. It would be nice to be moved to better hotels with documented complaints without a fight too... CLT/SDF/PVD/PHX/LAX come to mind; cleanliness, food options, activities, transportation are all things that need to be addressed, but I doubt they will be, because most of the negotiators and MEC higher-ups seem to be day-trippers. Sadly.
I'm voting yes because I want the Quality of Life improvements. If there are truly improvements in the Reserve language, PBS and scheduling language and ability to drop/pick up trips without ever having to deal with Crew Line, I'm all in. Getting rid of the 50-seat language, guys, that's huge and if FOs can get raises to at least buy food and a beer occasionally, that's huge too. No one will ever get rich flying for Mesa, na ga happen... but we can at least take incremental gains; and leave this place a little better for the next bunch of suckers errr...pilots who show up.
I'm guessing that there won't be anything like COLAs for pilots in IAD, because why would there be? It's only the most expensive place ever...No Trip/Duty rigs (again) because sitting in BUF for 30 hours is a perfectly good use of my time; it's just awesome at the mall, right?
And it would be really nice to have hotel language that didn't allow hotels that had the name "Choice" "Microtel" "Ramada" or anything similar. Also, no moving hotels without Union approval, I cite PVD as a specific case. It would be nice to be moved to better hotels with documented complaints without a fight too... CLT/SDF/PVD/PHX/LAX come to mind; cleanliness, food options, activities, transportation are all things that need to be addressed, but I doubt they will be, because most of the negotiators and MEC higher-ups seem to be day-trippers. Sadly.
Any of you guys sitting there cross -armed, saying, "I'm voting no, unless it's industry leading." Need to read this over and over again until you get it.....
07-24-2015, 01:15 PM
#9152
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Joined APC: Jun 2015
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And right on cue On Autopilot emerges. This is painful to watch. Log out, have a cold one, and relax. Then find a way to take care of important things like your family...maybe not in the 121 world. Don't get caught up in these counterproductive internet fights.
07-24-2015, 01:29 PM
#9153
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Joined APC: Sep 2006
Position: ERJ CA
Posts: 1,082
Actually, yes they are.
United is very pleased with our operations and American knows that our performance problems in DFW are growing pains caused mostly by Envoy Ground Services, our not having a maintenance hangar in DFW (you can bet it's coming), and the fact we're not paying our flight attendants enough. AAG knows full well what's going on in DFW and who is to blame, believe me. And they don't care.
The thing is, American just can't shift the Mesa flying to any other regional whenever the mood strikes. No regional has the capacity to absorb it, not even mighty Skywest. That's why we have leverage, and why Mesa absolutely CAN go back to AAG and tell them they need a surcharge to cover increased labor costs. It's a drop in the bucket in terms of AAG's cost structure.
Doug Parker and JO have been in bed together a long time, Doug will pony up a little extra cheddar if necessary. It's up to us to make it necessary.
I'll be voting "no" on the TA.
07-24-2015, 01:38 PM
#9154
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Actually, yes they are.
United is very pleased with our operations and American knows that our performance problems in DFW are growing pains caused mostly by Envoy Ground Services, our not having a maintenance hangar in DFW (you can bet it's coming), and the fact we're not paying our flight attendants enough. AAG knows full well what's going on in DFW and who is to blame, believe me. And they don't care.
The thing is, American just can't shift the Mesa flying to any other regional whenever the mood strikes. No regional has the capacity to absorb it, not even mighty Skywest. That's why we have leverage, and why Mesa absolutely CAN go back to AAG and tell them they need a surcharge to cover increased labor costs. It's a drop in the bucket in terms of AAG's cost structure.
Doug Parker and JO have been in bed together a long time, Doug will pony up a little extra cheddar if necessary. It's up to us to make it necessary.
I'll be voting "no" on the TA.
United is very pleased with our operations and American knows that our performance problems in DFW are growing pains caused mostly by Envoy Ground Services, our not having a maintenance hangar in DFW (you can bet it's coming), and the fact we're not paying our flight attendants enough. AAG knows full well what's going on in DFW and who is to blame, believe me. And they don't care.
The thing is, American just can't shift the Mesa flying to any other regional whenever the mood strikes. No regional has the capacity to absorb it, not even mighty Skywest. That's why we have leverage, and why Mesa absolutely CAN go back to AAG and tell them they need a surcharge to cover increased labor costs. It's a drop in the bucket in terms of AAG's cost structure.
Doug Parker and JO have been in bed together a long time, Doug will pony up a little extra cheddar if necessary. It's up to us to make it necessary.
I'll be voting "no" on the TA.
07-24-2015, 01:48 PM
#9155
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What exactly does he get - the lack of accountability for their own operation? Or the delusional mindset that their services are so invaluable that they can do no wrong and their partners wouldn't dare explore alternate operators?
All I read in that post was "It's not our fault we struggle in DFW..." and "Hey everyone, come see how good we look (in an Anchorman voice)" while sticking his nose up even higher in the air.
We're all replaceable. Let's not forget that.
All I read in that post was "It's not our fault we struggle in DFW..." and "Hey everyone, come see how good we look (in an Anchorman voice)" while sticking his nose up even higher in the air.
We're all replaceable. Let's not forget that.
07-24-2015, 02:02 PM
#9156
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What exactly does he get - the lack of accountability for their own operation? Or the delusional mindset that their services are so invaluable that they can do no wrong and their partners wouldn't dare explore alternate operators?
All I read in that post was "It's not our fault we struggle in DFW..." and "Hey everyone, come see how good we look (in an Anchorman voice)" while sticking his nose up even higher in the air.
We're all replaceable. Let's not forget that.
All I read in that post was "It's not our fault we struggle in DFW..." and "Hey everyone, come see how good we look (in an Anchorman voice)" while sticking his nose up even higher in the air.
We're all replaceable. Let's not forget that.
07-24-2015, 02:12 PM
#9157
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Position: ERJ CA
Posts: 1,082
Mesa
What exactly does he get - the lack of accountability for their own operation? Or the delusional mindset that their services are so invaluable that they can do no wrong and their partners wouldn't dare explore alternate operators?
All I read in that post was "It's not our fault we struggle in DFW..." and "Hey everyone, come see how good we look (in an Anchorman voice)" while sticking his nose up even higher in the air.
We're all replaceable. Let's not forget that.
All I read in that post was "It's not our fault we struggle in DFW..." and "Hey everyone, come see how good we look (in an Anchorman voice)" while sticking his nose up even higher in the air.
We're all replaceable. Let's not forget that.
You're a joke, dude. I'm based in DFW, I see the problems firsthand. I've taken videos of the long delays waiting for rampers to park us. They push a jet back then disappear for 20 (or more) minutes, then come slowly meandering back after the third call to Ramp.
I've talked to Envoy's ground managers, they absolutely understand that their rampers possess zero sense of urgency. When I worked ramp back in college, there would have been hell to pay if we weren't in place waiting when the jet showed up. At DFW, we arrive to a vacant ramp far more often than not. They know we're coming, there is zero excuse for it.
But I understand why it's happening. They're paying those rampers barely above minimum wage--that is, not enough to give a rats arse. Hustle costs extra, and American isn't paying for that.
07-24-2015, 02:18 PM
#9158
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Where in the hell do you think flying is gonna go to? EVERYBODY is struggling to attract pilots or keep the ones they have...everyone. Every regional is either shrinking, struggling to keep up, or flat out circling the drain. Who's replaceable? Your pilots? You can't be serious. the pilot pool has dried up. And you guys are the cheapest carrier...you can only go up from where you're at. AA's gonna take your planes? And go where?
Voting yes...
07-24-2015, 02:22 PM
#9159
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What I'm trying to say is that if we all take accountability for our own performance without blaming another, the world would be a better place. We can ALL do better. Am I right or wrong on that front?
...now I just sound like a hippie.
07-24-2015, 02:29 PM
#9160
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Mod Note:
You guys have managed to get this thread closed. There's so much flamebait, trolling, name calling, outing, self-outing, teenage angst, emotional inadequacies, pimple outbreaks, and what not that I can't begin to sort them out or give infractions.
Don't think I'm not keeping an eagle eye on things. If the same cast of misfits come back with a new Mesa thread (or go to any other existing thread) and behave in the same way, THEN I will exercise my moderator authority and inch my mouse towards the, uh, BAN button. How about that?
In the meantime, I would like anyone who posted in the last 30 pages of this thread to send me a PM and prove to me that you have only one account on APC and that you will stop with all this childish behavior. If you don't send me that PM, I will assume you no longer want your account(s) and I'll get rid of them for you.
You guys have managed to get this thread closed. There's so much flamebait, trolling, name calling, outing, self-outing, teenage angst, emotional inadequacies, pimple outbreaks, and what not that I can't begin to sort them out or give infractions.
Don't think I'm not keeping an eagle eye on things. If the same cast of misfits come back with a new Mesa thread (or go to any other existing thread) and behave in the same way, THEN I will exercise my moderator authority and inch my mouse towards the, uh, BAN button. How about that?
In the meantime, I would like anyone who posted in the last 30 pages of this thread to send me a PM and prove to me that you have only one account on APC and that you will stop with all this childish behavior. If you don't send me that PM, I will assume you no longer want your account(s) and I'll get rid of them for you.
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