tinman1

Word.


I wholeheartedly agree. These hotels are our home away from home on the road.

CBreezy

Republic didn't vote no because there wasn't pay raises. There were significant ones. Republic voted no because management opened massive loop holes and had a bunch of soft language that would have surely come back to haunt them (i.e. having to be contactable at all times). They weren't being greedy and I don't even think the company offered any form of cancelation pay. Does that make them foolish?

In the end, up gotta do what you gotta do to protect yourself. I'm just a little surprised there is so much enthusiasm about a contract no one has seen and people saying how they are excited to vote on marginally better contract solely to get more flying. This during a time of record profits across the board. United just had a nearly $2BILLION quarter. Bedford isn't looking for more flying because he can't get new hires with a bottom of the barrel contract. If he had the pilots, he'd be bidding. Clearly there are people who care about the contract, at least enough to avoid Republic while staffing PSA. I'm convinced that JO could bid for flying with vaguely more expensive and still be the cheapest. Even if you got industry average. You are talking about tens of dollars per block hour.

Sennant

Contractually you can drop to 0. Reality is much different

Coneydog

Dude, I have never personally attacked someone...not my style. I think we are simply trying to encourage you as a pilot group to not accept anything less than what you deserve. It's an industry thing. When you accept scraps, you hurt everyone else's chances at improving their contract. We are in contract negotiations currently. And believe me, everyone here is trying to raise the bar on an already above average contract. It needs improvements though. Who really knows what the future holds for this industry? You may be working for your regional longer than you planned....like many others in our profession. Hope for the best, but be prepared for the worst. We all want to be at a major, and quite possibly we will be fairly soon. As far as me personally, I have been at Trans States for 2 years and am upgrading in the fall. I live in base and have a very good QOL. Clean record and never failed a check ride in my life....like many, many others waiting their turn for a major. Honestly, you guys get all our washouts. They don't don't hold your hand here...you either hit the ground running, or you're out.

Cruz5350

The person who failed out has busted multiple 121 initial training programs this comes as no surprise.

tinman1

Sounds kinda personal to me. You may work at a carrier with an above average contract, but it still doesn't change the fact that you come across as an ass.

nordo

I'm personally thrilled for you "dude" that you have been at TSA for two years, are going to upgrade this fall, live in base and have, as you say, a very good QOL.

But what in the every-loving F@#$ do you know about being a Mesa pilot? Do you live with our current contract every day? Have you ever been furloughed or downgraded? Do you get JRA'd at the drop of a hat? Do you look at your reserve buffers and see that they're set to some arbitrarily high number by someone who doesn't know a tiller from a shoehorn? There's a lot to be said for Mesa and the people I work with every day, and this contract that you have absolutely no idea about. If I were you, I'd keep my thoughts about us waiting for a pie-in-the-sky contract to yourself.

I'm not trying to start a flame war here, but listen, we have to live with what we vote for, not you. We're not going the PSA route and giving in for something shiny, there's nothing shiny for us to fold for. I appreciate your input, but you've said your piece. Now please, ShutThe*******Up and go study for your upgrade. Thanks.

Duct Mon

You are so blind. Regardless of Mesa's vote the regional airline business will continue the way it has. It's not gonna change because of 1 or 2 pilot groups voting no. If you really want change you would have to organize and withhold all potential new hires to not apply until change happens. Guess what, that won't happen. So, you can continue to come on Mesa's thread and post what you want about Mesa accepting an inferior contract. You are an outsider expecting an entire different pilot group to stand up to the Regional airline monster that it is. Maybe you should volunteer at ALPA and see how difficult it is to get all the pilot groups to agree. Have a nice day.

Coneydog

That was not a personal attack. It was a retort directed at someone who had personally attacked me. Context. I know there are many fine pilots at Mesa, however, the industry's perception of you guys isn't favorable. You guys have the opportunity to change that. Some of the posts on this thread don't exactly help your cause. FWIW, I find FlapsHalfSpeed to be one of the more insightful people on these forums. I usually value what he has to say...and he's Mesa guy.

CBreezy

Actually, it is happening. It's the reason why Republic can't attract new hires. Word has gotten out that it is so bad that they can't staff the flying they already have. You see that as a bad thing.

I just think it is foolish for so many people on here to be saying "I'm voting yes" without even having seen the contract. Nordo just came on here and complained about the terrible language in the contract and then gets mad at us for pointing out that everyone on here is saying YES without actually reading anything about it. I don't really care that I'm not a Mesa pilot. I have 3 friends who are. I know what you have to go through...not that it matters anyways because this is a public message board and I'm allowed to have opinions. I will continue to share my opinions on this and any other board I like. If you don't like it, please, by all means, make your own.