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07-24-2015, 09:15 AM
#9122
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Bullet points?
07-24-2015, 09:27 AM
#9125
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In other news, the Mesa contract is measurably, by nearly $10k in benefits and compensation more inferior and even more so based on scale of airplane more inferior than most regional airlines.
07-24-2015, 09:41 AM
#9127
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Coney and CB work at TransStates. Please tell me why you think your regional airline is so superior to Mesa's. Blah, blah, blah. It's still a regional airline. You both must be lifers over there with check ride failures and DUI's and know that you'll never have an opportunity to fly somewhere else. Attack Mesa all you want. It still has no difference on our contract or vote.
07-24-2015, 09:56 AM
#9128
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Hi guys, anybody can tell what is the minimum flight time or credit time that somebody can fly at Mesa if he drops his trips ?
For ex. if you have a line of 76 hours can you drop a 4day and fly 56 ? or it is not allowed from the contract etc ?
Thanks in advance
For ex. if you have a line of 76 hours can you drop a 4day and fly 56 ? or it is not allowed from the contract etc ?
Thanks in advance
07-24-2015, 09:58 AM
#9129
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Position: CRJ CA
Posts: 180
What happened when Republic shot down their TA? Does anyone remember?
Oh, that's right--Bedford simply cut flying to protect staffing levels, b/c he couldn't attract enough pilots, but he also can't afford to pay more than what was offered. Any word on Bedford rushing back to offer them a better deal "because he needs it"? (crickets)
Also, what happened at my former employer, Pinnacle, when we finally got the contract we fought a decade for? Did it "raise the bar"?!?!?!
Oh, that's right--the CEO & VP took golden parachutes, Delta laundered us through the bankruptcy courts, and roughly one year from signing, the bankruptcy judge capped our FO payscales at 4 years, downgrades and misery began, and none of my former co-workers has since regained the blow to their career path, even when factoring in the handful hired at Delta.
What happened to Comair? Oh man...I won't even go there.
Folks, the regional business model has changed--our independent auditors verified that "industry average or better" money simply isn't there. JO doesn't "need this." It's win-win for him:
(Revenues - costs) = JO's profits
Now, follow along kids--if JO gets a TA, he'll be able to secure more flying, staffing, and revenue, so he can justify the additional costs.
If JO doesn't get a TA, he'll be less likely to secure more flying, he'll be more wary about staffing, and in order to protect his existing (low) profits/flying, he'll keep costs where they are, drag his feet several years, and simply shut the place down if he can't staff existing flying at existing rates going forward.
You guys are making this personal, and failing to comprehend that locking in incremental gains is the only rational choice. Every self-righteous stand every regional pilot group has ever made failed miserably--we exist because we're cheap, if we stop being cheap, we obviate our own elimination. I don't care enough about the long-term future of the regional industry to destroy my own QOL/job/livelihood by rejecting this.
I'll be voting yes for anything that marginally improves my pay/QOL/job security. Not expecting others to think the same way--just my two cents after living through the aftermath of decade-long negotiations at my last employer.
Oh, that's right--Bedford simply cut flying to protect staffing levels, b/c he couldn't attract enough pilots, but he also can't afford to pay more than what was offered. Any word on Bedford rushing back to offer them a better deal "because he needs it"? (crickets)
Also, what happened at my former employer, Pinnacle, when we finally got the contract we fought a decade for? Did it "raise the bar"?!?!?!
Oh, that's right--the CEO & VP took golden parachutes, Delta laundered us through the bankruptcy courts, and roughly one year from signing, the bankruptcy judge capped our FO payscales at 4 years, downgrades and misery began, and none of my former co-workers has since regained the blow to their career path, even when factoring in the handful hired at Delta.
What happened to Comair? Oh man...I won't even go there.
Folks, the regional business model has changed--our independent auditors verified that "industry average or better" money simply isn't there. JO doesn't "need this." It's win-win for him:
(Revenues - costs) = JO's profits
Now, follow along kids--if JO gets a TA, he'll be able to secure more flying, staffing, and revenue, so he can justify the additional costs.
If JO doesn't get a TA, he'll be less likely to secure more flying, he'll be more wary about staffing, and in order to protect his existing (low) profits/flying, he'll keep costs where they are, drag his feet several years, and simply shut the place down if he can't staff existing flying at existing rates going forward.
You guys are making this personal, and failing to comprehend that locking in incremental gains is the only rational choice. Every self-righteous stand every regional pilot group has ever made failed miserably--we exist because we're cheap, if we stop being cheap, we obviate our own elimination. I don't care enough about the long-term future of the regional industry to destroy my own QOL/job/livelihood by rejecting this.
I'll be voting yes for anything that marginally improves my pay/QOL/job security. Not expecting others to think the same way--just my two cents after living through the aftermath of decade-long negotiations at my last employer.
I'm voting yes because I want the Quality of Life improvements. If there are truly improvements in the Reserve language, PBS and scheduling language and ability to drop/pick up trips without ever having to deal with Crew Line, I'm all in. Getting rid of the 50-seat language, guys, that's huge and if FOs can get raises to at least buy food and a beer occasionally, that's huge too. No one will ever get rich flying for Mesa, na ga happen... but we can at least take incremental gains; and leave this place a little better for the next bunch of suckers errr...pilots who show up.
I'm guessing that there won't be anything like COLAs for pilots in IAD, because why would there be? It's only the most expensive place ever...No Trip/Duty rigs (again) because sitting in BUF for 30 hours is a perfectly good use of my time; it's just awesome at the mall, right?
And it would be really nice to have hotel language that didn't allow hotels that had the name "Choice" "Microtel" "Ramada" or anything similar. Also, no moving hotels without Union approval, I cite PVD as a specific case. It would be nice to be moved to better hotels with documented complaints without a fight too... CLT/SDF/PVD/PHX/LAX come to mind; cleanliness, food options, activities, transportation are all things that need to be addressed, but I doubt they will be, because most of the negotiators and MEC higher-ups seem to be day-trippers. Sadly.
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