Mesa
07-23-2015, 07:38 PM
#9091
Banned
Joined APC: Jul 2015
Position: Cl 65
Posts: 15
Ok now you are starting to sound extremely stupid just stop. People fail out of 121 programs, big shock to you I know. This is not a charity to give out ATPs and type ratings. You honestly think Mesa is going to turn down a highly qualified and skilled pilot for no apparent reason in this climate? Doubtful to say the least. Do yourself a favor and stop trying to make excuses for your buddy getting fired. Why you are here looking for justification from us like we are supposed to really give a **** is beyond me.
This is the part where RV5M chimes in and says something stupid or spell checks on an Internet forum. We are all anxiously awaiting your great knowledge sir.
This is the part where RV5M chimes in and says something stupid or spell checks on an Internet forum. We are all anxiously awaiting your great knowledge sir.
Then once again with the personal attacks and insults. Body is that of a grown man, Brain function is clearly that of an immature juvenile who can't convey a purposeful meaniful thought even if it is an opposing point of view without resorting to caveman linguistics.
Yea, I REALLY care what you think.��
07-23-2015, 07:55 PM
#9092
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2014
Posts: 558
Completely agree, preach it bortha preach it. I don't plan on being here long enough to really care about most of it, but a slight increase in pay with job security and the possibility of getting more flying works just fine with me. Too many examples out there of pilot groups reaching for the moon or "what they are worth" only to crash and burn and be out of a job soon after.
07-23-2015, 07:59 PM
#9093
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2015
Posts: 298
What happened when Republic shot down their TA? Does anyone remember?
Oh, that's right--Bedford simply cut flying to protect staffing levels, b/c he couldn't attract enough pilots, but he also can't afford to pay more than what was offered. Any word on Bedford rushing back to offer them a better deal "because he needs it"? (crickets)
Also, what happened at my former employer, Pinnacle, when we finally got the contract we fought a decade for? Did it "raise the bar"?!?!?!
Oh, that's right--the CEO & VP took golden parachutes, Delta laundered us through the bankruptcy courts, and roughly one year from signing, the bankruptcy judge capped our FO payscales at 4 years, downgrades and misery began, and none of my former co-workers has since regained the blow to their career path, even when factoring in the handful hired at Delta.
What happened to Comair? Oh man...I won't even go there.
Folks, the regional business model has changed--our independent auditors verified that "industry average or better" money simply isn't there. JO doesn't "need this." It's win-win for him:
(Revenues - costs) = JO's profits
Now, follow along kids--if JO gets a TA, he'll be able to secure more flying, staffing, and revenue, so he can justify the additional costs.
If JO doesn't get a TA, he'll be less likely to secure more flying, he'll be more wary about staffing, and in order to protect his existing (low) profits/flying, he'll keep costs where they are, drag his feet several years, and simply shut the place down if he can't staff existing flying at existing rates going forward.
You guys are making this personal, and failing to comprehend that locking in incremental gains is the only rational choice. Every self-righteous stand every regional pilot group has ever made failed miserably--we exist because we're cheap, if we stop being cheap, we obviate our own elimination. I don't care enough about the long-term future of the regional industry to destroy my own QOL/job/livelihood by rejecting this.
I'll be voting yes for anything that marginally improves my pay/QOL/job security. Not expecting others to think the same way--just my two cents after living through the aftermath of decade-long negotiations at my last employer.
Oh, that's right--Bedford simply cut flying to protect staffing levels, b/c he couldn't attract enough pilots, but he also can't afford to pay more than what was offered. Any word on Bedford rushing back to offer them a better deal "because he needs it"? (crickets)
Also, what happened at my former employer, Pinnacle, when we finally got the contract we fought a decade for? Did it "raise the bar"?!?!?!
Oh, that's right--the CEO & VP took golden parachutes, Delta laundered us through the bankruptcy courts, and roughly one year from signing, the bankruptcy judge capped our FO payscales at 4 years, downgrades and misery began, and none of my former co-workers has since regained the blow to their career path, even when factoring in the handful hired at Delta.
What happened to Comair? Oh man...I won't even go there.
Folks, the regional business model has changed--our independent auditors verified that "industry average or better" money simply isn't there. JO doesn't "need this." It's win-win for him:
(Revenues - costs) = JO's profits
Now, follow along kids--if JO gets a TA, he'll be able to secure more flying, staffing, and revenue, so he can justify the additional costs.
If JO doesn't get a TA, he'll be less likely to secure more flying, he'll be more wary about staffing, and in order to protect his existing (low) profits/flying, he'll keep costs where they are, drag his feet several years, and simply shut the place down if he can't staff existing flying at existing rates going forward.
You guys are making this personal, and failing to comprehend that locking in incremental gains is the only rational choice. Every self-righteous stand every regional pilot group has ever made failed miserably--we exist because we're cheap, if we stop being cheap, we obviate our own elimination. I don't care enough about the long-term future of the regional industry to destroy my own QOL/job/livelihood by rejecting this.
I'll be voting yes for anything that marginally improves my pay/QOL/job security. Not expecting others to think the same way--just my two cents after living through the aftermath of decade-long negotiations at my last employer.
07-23-2015, 08:17 PM
#9094
Chief Engineer
Joined APC: Aug 2014
Position: CRJ FO
Posts: 815
Man, you are everything that's wrong with this occupation. Don't plan on being there that long eh? Tell that to the thousands of other regional pilots who are more qualified than you and have been stuck where they're at for a substantial amount of time. And demanding an industry AVERAGE contract is not "reaching for the moon". Especially in this day and age where regional pilots are at a premium.
07-23-2015, 08:30 PM
#9095
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2014
Posts: 633
I have no problem with wanting industry average. I just don't see the point in a 10 year battle only to no get it. As far as the "thousands of other qualified regional pilots" out there stuck at the regionals I am hesitant to say they are qualified. As an example a buddy of mine who has been in the right seat at Envoy for 3 years just got hired with Frontier with all SIC 121 time, and no he is not a woman or black. Another friend spent 2 years at compass before being picked up by Spirit and after 4 years there he has already upgraded. So either all of these "qualified" applicants out there have some sort of smudge on their record, or are just holding out for a legacy job. I would rather hold out for a legacy job at a major than the crap hole that is the regionals.
07-23-2015, 08:33 PM
#9096
Banned
Joined APC: Dec 2010
Position: South Paw
Posts: 630
No Rigs at all!!!! Make my time worthwhile or let me hit the lake.
07-23-2015, 08:46 PM
#9098
Chief Engineer
Joined APC: Aug 2014
Position: CRJ FO
Posts: 815
Here is the definition for you.
"A legacy carrier, in the United States, is an airline that had established interstate routes by the time of the route liberalization which was permitted by the Airline Deregulation Act of 1978 and was thus directly affected by that act."
To most people a legacy is the big three: AA, UAL, and DAL. But this can also include Hawaiian, Southwest, and Alaska Airlines.
If you have any further stupid questions please feel free to ask!
"A legacy carrier, in the United States, is an airline that had established interstate routes by the time of the route liberalization which was permitted by the Airline Deregulation Act of 1978 and was thus directly affected by that act."
To most people a legacy is the big three: AA, UAL, and DAL. But this can also include Hawaiian, Southwest, and Alaska Airlines.
If you have any further stupid questions please feel free to ask!
07-23-2015, 08:52 PM
#9099
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2014
Posts: 633
Here is the definition for you.
"A legacy carrier, in the United States, is an airline that had established interstate routes by the time of the route liberalization which was permitted by the Airline Deregulation Act of 1978 and was thus directly affected by that act."
To most people a legacy is the big three: AA, UAL, and DAL. But this can also include Hawaiian, Southwest, and Alaska Airlines.
If you have any further stupid questions please feel free to ask!
"A legacy carrier, in the United States, is an airline that had established interstate routes by the time of the route liberalization which was permitted by the Airline Deregulation Act of 1978 and was thus directly affected by that act."
To most people a legacy is the big three: AA, UAL, and DAL. But this can also include Hawaiian, Southwest, and Alaska Airlines.
If you have any further stupid questions please feel free to ask!
07-23-2015, 08:55 PM
#9100
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2014
Posts: 828
Completely agree, preach it bortha preach it. I don't plan on being here long enough to really care about most of it, but a slight increase in pay with job security and the possibility of getting more flying works just fine with me. Too many examples out there of pilot groups reaching for the moon or "what they are worth" only to crash and burn and be out of a job soon after.
Wow. You truly are the problem with this industry. Either totally clueless or very selfish.
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