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07-20-2015, 08:02 AM
#8951
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Yes there has been changes. Number of sim instructors being sent back to the line, massive amount of scheduled sim time in PHX being cancelled and new hires being let go. Mesa is back up to their same old tricks again. Be careful everyone. There has been a number of failures, "suspicious" failures on both E side and C side. Guys failing out of everything from FPT to the checkride then getting training review board and getting terminated, no choice to resign. A certain individual in management told a guy who did not fail a single written, or unsat a sim but his sim partner did was terminated for not working as a team. A Chief pilot told him that this was coming from a pay grade much higher than his, that he was truly sorry but he had no choice.
Even guys coming in for upgrades are being failed as well as aqp, recurrent and proficiency checks. These are the facts, and hope it helps someone.
Even guys coming in for upgrades are being failed as well as aqp, recurrent and proficiency checks. These are the facts, and hope it helps someone.
Large blocks of sim time are booked and cancelled all the time...nothing to see there.
Any training program has failures and at different stages of training, no surprise there. On the EJET the numbers are not out of the ordinary and definitely not "suspicious".
You can't put much weight in anecdotal Chief Pilot meetings especially regarding terminations or disciplinary matters. Those stories by nature are one-sided and inaccurate at best.
So your information is summarily unhelpful to anyone as it has almost no basis in fact, contrary to your assertion.
07-20-2015, 08:32 AM
#8952
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If you can't pass training at Mesa it is because you either have a bad attitude, put no effort into the training, or have no business flying anything. I have been through training at Mesa and another 121 carrier, and I will say that if you fail out of this place you have no one to blame but yourself. If anything the company is probably going too far out of its way to help people make it through. If there are high failure rates it is because they are not interviewing anyone but for a brief phone screen. Every regional needs people right now, the competition is fierce, and getting people in class seems to be the focus. You get some good eggs and some bad eggs when you hire this way. But with competition tight, making someone interview leaves another company open to steal your candidate first.
07-20-2015, 08:40 AM
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As long as you are not running down the halls of sleep inn naked and peeing on the walls, molesting the fas, tell an instructor to f-off. or looking at porn and dating sites during indoc. Smoking weed at the hotel, get a flight attendant pregnant during training you will do just fine!
07-20-2015, 08:43 AM
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I think these rumors of unfair training going around at places like PSA and Mesa are more likely a result of entitled millenial brats being told "no, you aren't actually good at this at all" for the first time in their lives.
The "everyone gets a trophy"/anti-bullying generation is entering the workforce nowadays--kids who had Facebook & Instagram starting in junior high/high school--and they are used to being constantly validated by their peer group, and being able to block any info or opinions that threaten their virtually-inflated egos--instantly.
From what I've seen on the line, the younger millenials--guys in their early/mid-20s right now--they're just really, really bad at accepting constructive criticism and critiques, and they're really bad at failure and take any tiny fragment of criticism or suggestion as some MASSIVE, unjust attack on who they are.
I think what we're seeing is the response of a coddled, sheltered generation to a routine selection process that from time to time fails people. They just can't comprehend the idea of a process that doesn't pass everyone who wants to pass. Part of this is the over-selling of career outcomes by colleges and flight schools, part of it is anti-bullying educational culture.
Just my two cents.
The "everyone gets a trophy"/anti-bullying generation is entering the workforce nowadays--kids who had Facebook & Instagram starting in junior high/high school--and they are used to being constantly validated by their peer group, and being able to block any info or opinions that threaten their virtually-inflated egos--instantly.
From what I've seen on the line, the younger millenials--guys in their early/mid-20s right now--they're just really, really bad at accepting constructive criticism and critiques, and they're really bad at failure and take any tiny fragment of criticism or suggestion as some MASSIVE, unjust attack on who they are.
I think what we're seeing is the response of a coddled, sheltered generation to a routine selection process that from time to time fails people. They just can't comprehend the idea of a process that doesn't pass everyone who wants to pass. Part of this is the over-selling of career outcomes by colleges and flight schools, part of it is anti-bullying educational culture.
Just my two cents.
07-20-2015, 09:42 AM
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Millenials are mostly the grandchildren of the baby boomers.
07-20-2015, 10:41 AM
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Many millenials are the later children of baby boomer fathers usually on their 3rd or 4th wife. And since so many boomer fathers screwed up with the first batch of kids through divorces and whatnot the millenials have been doted on their whole lives. This is not meant to bash millenials.
07-20-2015, 10:56 AM
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Many millenials are the later children of baby boomer fathers usually on their 3rd or 4th wife. And since so many boomer fathers screwed up with the first batch of kids through divorces and whatnot the millenials have been doted on their whole lives. This is not meant to bash millenials.
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