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Old 06-18-2015, 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by deltajuliet
Or...

-1/2 pay for deadheads
-Arbitrary reserve buffers
-Unpaid-for KCM
-Stupidly low pay rates
-Lack of min day

And can we get something in there about minimum hotel quality? Microtel ain't cutting it.
You think the Microtels are bad... I guess you've never stayed in the LaQuinta BDL... or Best Western CLT.....
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Old 06-18-2015, 09:50 PM
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Best Western CLT, yeah. But it didn't have bed bugs at the time.
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Old 06-18-2015, 11:56 PM
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Best Western CLT, yeah. But it didn't have bed bugs at the time.
As someone on here once said; If other crews don't stay there, we shouldn't stay there.
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Old 06-19-2015, 01:32 AM
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Originally Posted by deltajuliet
Or...

-1/2 pay for deadheads
-Arbitrary reserve buffers
-Unpaid-for KCM
-Stupidly low pay rates
-Lack of min day

And can we get something in there about minimum hotel quality? Microtel ain't cutting it.
I can tell you right now that changing reserve buffers, as well as day/duty rigs won't happen, period. As for stupidly low pay rates: did you already forget that you signed up to work here at the published rates? I'm not saying they won't improve at all, but dont expect leaps and bounds. If you're holding out for a sunshine and rainbow ta that will set the new standard for the regional industry, you're fooling yourself, and leaving money on the table in the meantime.
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Old 06-19-2015, 06:18 AM
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I can tell you right now that changing reserve buffers, as well as day/duty rigs won't happen, period. As for stupidly low pay rates: did you already forget that you signed up to work here at the published rates? I'm not saying they won't improve at all, but dont expect leaps and bounds. If you're holding out for a sunshine and rainbow ta that will set the new standard for the regional industry, you're fooling yourself, and leaving money on the table in the meantime.
You are wrong, and that is what is wrong with the regionals. If the pilots done expect or demand to be paid what they are worth it will never happen. That is our own fault.
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Old 06-19-2015, 06:32 AM
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You are wrong, and that is what is wrong with the regionals. If the pilots done expect or demand to be paid what they are worth it will never happen. That is our own fault.
I'm not saying the state of the industry is something I agree with. I'm telling you what definitely won't be in the upcoming TA.

Not a company cheerleader, but it's like ornstein said in the company call: 'we can not afford to give everyone 10% raises'. I'm not saying take his word for it, but the Alpa account auditors came to the same conclusion. The company only makes 1-2% of the profit from flights; we're not subsidized by a parent company like ENY. Even AAG recognizes it's feeders as a cost center. Mesa is profitable but if you notice, we have two spares between Phx and dfw. Isn't that crazy? Any airplanes we have acquired recently are either owned by Somone else, or paid for by the new flying they operate.

So I respectfully ask you, how am I wrong? Call your MEC rep and ask them to give you the bullet points from the last conference call, they'll tell you more or less the same thing I'm saying.
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Old 06-19-2015, 08:48 AM
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Does anyone know what the executives make who run Mesa? What are their bonuses like?
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Old 06-19-2015, 08:53 AM
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Mesa is a privately held company so their compensation packages are not publicly released. Why not try asking them on the next conference call? LOL
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Old 06-19-2015, 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Navmode
Originally Posted by deltajuliet
Or...

-1/2 pay for deadheads
-Arbitrary reserve buffers
-Unpaid-for KCM
-Stupidly low pay rates
-Lack of min day

And can we get something in there about minimum hotel quality? Microtel ain't cutting it.
I can tell you right now that changing reserve buffers, as well as day/duty rigs won't happen, period. As for stupidly low pay rates: did you already forget that you signed up to work here at the published rates? I'm not saying they won't improve at all, but dont expect leaps and bounds. If you're holding out for a sunshine and rainbow ta that will set the new standard for the regional industry, you're fooling yourself, and leaving money on the table in the meantime.
A reserve buffer of 15 in June is understandable, but not 28 in April. Added transparency and a month flush with reserves where not every day is red is all I'm suggesting.

Stupidly low pay rates: can we graduate to "low pay rates" and get rid of the "stupidly." Nobody expects industry-leading, nice as that would be, but can we not be at the very back of the pack? Once Great Lakes is gone, discounting RAH's cancellation work rules, our pay rates are pretty much last.

I do hear what you're saying Nav. I'm all for realistic pragmatism. But let's not manage our expectations to the point of gaining an inch when we could gain a foot. Aim for the moon and you'll get over the fence.
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Old 06-19-2015, 09:58 AM
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According to APC pay rates listed, Great Lakes is already better than mesa. For atp qualified pilots anyways. The non atp isn't to far behind either. Not sure how accurate it is though.
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