wt932051

You guys make me sick. I hope you get stuck as an FO for 8 years at Mesa and learn the hard way to live in the bed you make.

Harpyr

Are you sure you didn't waste your money?

wt932051

I admit it, you got me, that was good. Women took all of my money. Some people are book smart, and a degree is great for them, others just have common sense and can do good in life even without a degree. I think women though are born with a natural talent to make guys go broke degree or not.

prior121

There is NO money. We make pennies on the dollar for the E175 lift. We aren't mainline and never will be. The reason we get new flying is because we underbid everyone.

If you think Mesa has millions upon millions in the bank you are sadly mistaken.

Get in, build that TPIC and get out. If I was to get downgraded you better bet I would be at every Jetblue/Spirit/United job fair offered. The story is the same with a lot of the Mesa guys who downgraded/sat right seat for 7+ years. Didn't network, didn't go to job fairs, no four year degrees, etc. You HAVE got to put in the extra effort.

Lots of Regional FOs have gotten picked up by mainline in the last couple years. They all have the same thing in common - THEY PUT IN THE EXTRA EFFORT TO GET OUT.

Stop whining and trying to make people feel sorry for you - I for one don't.

Harpyr

Ah no worries. I was just giving you grief. I've misspelled before and I'll misspell again.

Eel135

The new promissory note amount is $12,712, prorated over 12 months from your checkride.

Here it is: Information Only Jet Training Event Promissory Note Rev3 03032015.pdf - DocDroid

wt932051

First, I have put in the extra effort for a Legacy or good major. That is what I want. You my friend have been hired at an entirely different time under way better conditions then when I was. So don't give me that crap. I'm tired of this know it all attitude. 1000 pic is not going to cut it. It's just not that easy but it is getting easier again. 10+ letters of rec and that still was not enough only 3 years ago to get on with Allegiant. Thought Mesa was going to go under. Times have changed again to where it takes way less then that now. Got a pulse? Majors are not to this point yet like regionals. How was your interview at Mesa? Phone interview? Yeah I had the real deal back in the days. Today it is a joke at the regional level. As long as you don't have felonies you are in good shape.

I disagree with you on your second point. There is lots of money in aviation. Just not as much at the regionals anymore thanks to one regional throwing the other regional under the bus over and over and over. PSA and Envoy as an example. GoJet, TSA, Freedom, etc. Management always tell you what you want to hear, and tell you what they want you to know, and always make it seem better or worse depending on how it will benefit them. Mesa is private. They have more money in the bank then they claim in the books. If not, then go get it. When crew cancels start American, United, and Delta will have to do something like take back the flying to mainline. That is what I want to see. Long term the regionals are not going to keep going the way they are. Oh yeah, Mesa has money to give 500 bucks a month to future ATP new hires. So there is one example. That should be illegal per the RLA. Maybe it is idk.

Third, as far as whining, you are wrong, I am mad, very mad. I hate seeing pilots screw each other over. I am the one who is tired of hearing FO's complaining about their promised upgrade, crappy pay, crappy schedules, when they knew full well what they were getting when they were hired here. These quick upgrades are coming from other regional pilots who lost flying because they wanted more money.

So lets just agree to burn the regionals to the ground and then you will have no reason to work for cheap to get to a major as you would already be there. Then you would actually see my whole point of standing up with other pilots and fighting for a better contract (a real union) and not just the individual looking out for him/herself and ready to screw others over.

BTW, name calling is so easy on here. I don't mean to attack you or any others, I'm just mad you guys don't seem to care about what you leave behind at the regionals or what happens to others at other regionals. I want to leave this place much better then when I came here. If I can't, then lets get every bit of flying back to the majors where we can.

ArcherDvr

Wow, I can't believe they havnt fixed this. It's 12 months from your hire date (paragraph 1, length of service.) Paragraph 6 just says they can take your last paycheck if you leave within 12 months.

flapshalfspeed

Oooooooo Mr. Big Shot had a "real interview back in the days." So did most of us 2013 Mesa-hires at our last regionals/freight companies. But, unlike you, many of us actually got shoved out the door and had to work our way back into this racket from the unemployment line in the middle of the greatest economic downturn in this country's history since the Great Depression. Do you want us to pat you on the back for riding out the tough years in your little Captain seat at Mesa? Here's a cookie--I'll warm it up in the EJet oven for you once they're installed.

There is not much money at the regionals anymore because, subsequent to the Comair strike, the legacies--following Delta's lead as usual--partitioned-out regional feed to multiple carriers as a risk-management strategy. Realizing the potential of a never-ending whipsaw, and understanding ALPA national's unwillingness to devote political/negotiating capital to enforcing minimum contract standards at the regional level...well, you basically lost your argument around 2001, sir.

You will lose your job if that happens. The flying will not go back to the legacies--it will go to any other regional willing to bid low enough to secure it. And if they can't find an independent 121 certificate to fly it (and staff it) for cheap enough, the legacy in question will simply create a wholly-owned regional (again), load it up with guaranteed flying for a decade, and ink a flow agreement to make sure it is staffed properly. A decade will go by, and at the end of that decade they'll sell off the wholly-owned as a publicly-traded company the millisecond THOSE pilots push for too much money. Rinse, repeat, redo 2000-2015 all over again.

You're obviously a senior Captain at Mesa who started out on a turboprop doing EAS routes, and you don't really, truly comprehend what you're up against when you start sparring with cost structures on legacy feed on a national level. We're not talking about negotiating payrates for flying a 1900 around rural Kansas or upstate New York--we're talking about retaining 76-seat jet feed for United Airlines and American Airlines. This is not a mom & pop operation where you just pound your chest and threaten to call off sick with your fellow pilots to get a raise--every single Mesa pilot could vote no on this TA and it will not cause a single dollar more to be offered by Mesa (or, ipso facto legacy United/American). It will not cause a single airframe to go to mainline--ever.

You obviously haven't stuck your neck out, or felt the consequences of "standing up with other pilots" before. While you were riding out a concessionary agreement at Mesa for the last decade (which, by the way, saved your job) I was rabble-rousing at my last airline, with a 99% strike vote and a "burn it all down" mentality. Guess what? We secured a stellar contract! And it was thrown out by the bankruptcy court--as planned--the second the ink was dry.

The picture you're trying to paint of naive FNG new hires bending over and taking it is completely inaccurate...in fact, a huge percentage of recent Mesa hires are the exact opposite--we drew a line in the sand at our last companies, paid the price for it, and realized it wasn't worth losing years of our lives, our seats, and ultimately our jobs.

You do realize how many former Republic/Pinnacolaba/Eagle pilots make up the bottom half of the current MAG seniority list, right? We all know what happens when senior lifers tell the company to pound sand, and we all came here to get away from the misery that ensues.

wt932051

I completely disagree with you. I will leave it at that.