Mesa
05-16-2015, 08:17 AM
#7921
patience
Joined APC: Mar 2011
Posts: 1,068
When are all the Mesa planes supposed to leave CLT?
About how many 900s do you guys have in PHX vs DFW?
About how many 900s do you guys have in PHX vs DFW?
05-16-2015, 02:50 PM
#7922
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2014
Position: Airbus FO
Posts: 279
I am already voting no. Mesa was in no hurry, so I am in no hurry now. They could have given us a contract a while back. Now when the company needs it to keep getting pilots, guess what, I don't need it so much. I can wait a bit longer. However if the company really needs it, then lets get a pretty nice bonus added to it. Management got one exiting bankruptcy so where was ours?
Oh yeah, apparently Mesa has money to give, they are going to give 500 a month toward the loans for all future ATP new hires that we hire after telling our union they didn't have any money. Where is my 500 a month? Funny I don't see how you can pay someone outside of the labor contract also. Isn't that illegal?
Oh yeah, apparently Mesa has money to give, they are going to give 500 a month toward the loans for all future ATP new hires that we hire after telling our union they didn't have any money. Where is my 500 a month? Funny I don't see how you can pay someone outside of the labor contract also. Isn't that illegal?
05-16-2015, 03:10 PM
#7923
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2007
Posts: 317
I am already voting no. Mesa was in no hurry, so I am in no hurry now. They could have given us a contract a while back. Now when the company needs it to keep getting pilots, guess what, I don't need it so much. I can wait a bit longer. However if the company really needs it, then lets get a pretty nice bonus added to it. Management got one exiting bankruptcy so where was ours?
Oh yeah, apparently Mesa has money to give, they are going to give 500 a month toward the loans for all future ATP new hires that we hire after telling our union they didn't have any money. Where is my 500 a month? Funny I don't see how you can pay someone outside of the labor contract also. Isn't that illegal?
Oh yeah, apparently Mesa has money to give, they are going to give 500 a month toward the loans for all future ATP new hires that we hire after telling our union they didn't have any money. Where is my 500 a month? Funny I don't see how you can pay someone outside of the labor contract also. Isn't that illegal?
05-16-2015, 03:14 PM
#7924
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2008
Position: First Officer
Posts: 122
05-16-2015, 03:33 PM
#7925
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2010
Posts: 977
I am already voting no. Mesa was in no hurry, so I am in no hurry now. They could have given us a contract a while back. Now when the company needs it to keep getting pilots, guess what, I don't need it so much. I can wait a bit longer. However if the company really needs it, then lets get a pretty nice bonus added to it. Management got one exiting bankruptcy so where was ours?
Oh yeah, apparently Mesa has money to give, they are going to give 500 a month toward the loans for all future ATP new hires that we hire after telling our union they didn't have any money. Where is my 500 a month? Funny I don't see how you can pay someone outside of the labor contract also. Isn't that illegal?
Oh yeah, apparently Mesa has money to give, they are going to give 500 a month toward the loans for all future ATP new hires that we hire after telling our union they didn't have any money. Where is my 500 a month? Funny I don't see how you can pay someone outside of the labor contract also. Isn't that illegal?
Guess what? Under pressure from the NMB, we finally got the deal we deserved...and less than 1.5 years later the company went to the bankruptcy courts and eliminated every single gain, and capped the FO payscale at 4 years.
You will never get back all the pay you deserve, or even a fraction of the pay you deserve. You will never achieve significant increases in pay at a regional airline unless the NMB is fixed (or a national seniority list is created). The game is rigged, and if you try to play hardball, you're going to lose (your job).
Be pragmatic. If we can lock in some small increases that improve QOL and avoid pushing the company into a sham bankruptcy, I will vote for it 100%.
05-16-2015, 08:18 PM
#7928
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2013
Position: 175 Left
Posts: 1,539
I made the mistake of being moralistic instead of pragmatic at my last airline. Guess what? We spent a decade fighting for stupid things like tiny increases in deadhead pay, tiny improvements in scheduling language, bumping up 2nd year FO pay and arguing over signing bonuses and duration. Shot down multiple modest increases in pay/QOL, LOAs for pay increases/new hire bonuses, and at least one TA with marginal improvements.
Guess what? Under pressure from the NMB, we finally got the deal we deserved...and less than 1.5 years later the company went to the bankruptcy courts and eliminated every single gain, and capped the FO payscale at 4 years.
You will never get back all the pay you deserve, or even a fraction of the pay you deserve. You will never achieve significant increases in pay at a regional airline unless the NMB is fixed (or a national seniority list is created). The game is rigged, and if you try to play hardball, you're going to lose (your job).
Be pragmatic. If we can lock in some small increases that improve QOL and avoid pushing the company into a sham bankruptcy, I will vote for it 100%.
Guess what? Under pressure from the NMB, we finally got the deal we deserved...and less than 1.5 years later the company went to the bankruptcy courts and eliminated every single gain, and capped the FO payscale at 4 years.
You will never get back all the pay you deserve, or even a fraction of the pay you deserve. You will never achieve significant increases in pay at a regional airline unless the NMB is fixed (or a national seniority list is created). The game is rigged, and if you try to play hardball, you're going to lose (your job).
Be pragmatic. If we can lock in some small increases that improve QOL and avoid pushing the company into a sham bankruptcy, I will vote for it 100%.
05-17-2015, 03:21 PM
#7929
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2014
Position: Airbus FO
Posts: 279
Sounds like you guys are ready to bend over. Mesa recruited well.
05-17-2015, 03:26 PM
#7930
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2014
Position: Airbus FO
Posts: 279
This is not a game. It is economics. I hope you guys didn't waste your money on a 4 year degree and still not understand this.
Envoy guys know that other guys are willing to work for less now for a quick upgrade essentially flushing the regionals down the toilet in the process. Here you wonder why regional pilots are paid crap...
Envoy guys know that other guys are willing to work for less now for a quick upgrade essentially flushing the regionals down the toilet in the process. Here you wonder why regional pilots are paid crap...
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