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Old 04-10-2015, 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by kfahmi
OK wait a minute here.

Everyone on this forum is constantly trashing everyone else. We got alleged gropers, alleged drunks, alleged God-knows-what else. Insults get traded here like penny stocks.

And I get hassled for pointing out a godawful landing? Seriously?
Drunks don't hold an airline position for over 10 years. What you do on your days off is your business. And from what I have learned. Do not post on your days off.

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Old 04-10-2015, 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by NovemberBravo
Very true about the senior pilots here lol.
I'm not super senior, but if you have been around to see what Mesa has pulled in the past. You would understand.
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Old 04-10-2015, 03:02 AM
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Originally Posted by skillett
I'm not super senior, but if you have been around to see what Mesa has pulled in the past. You would understand.
Now, I am not calling you out, and what I am about to say is painted with a very broad stroke that does not cover every pilot.

The elitist snobs who are constantly judging others are the very LEAST desirable people to have in the cockpit. You're not special, what you do every day for a career is one of the easiest jobs you could possibly have. You do not take work home with you, all you do is show up at the gate and do your job. You're not a doctor, your not an engineer, the biggest accomplishment in your life is that you made it as far as you have in this industry without going bankrupt or getting divorced.

If it wasn't for the government stepping in, you would be replaced by a 250 hour pilot who would do your job for free. You want to be an elitist snob? Why don't you do something significant in life that requires you to evolve cognitively? Go become an engineer, or software programmer, where every project forces you to evolve by a few magnitudes in terms of what you know?
Most pilots have absolutely no marketable skills outside of aviation, if you were to lose your aviation career, you can go take your elitism bull**** with you to truck driver school, or In and Out while you flip burgers. It's no different at mainline, where their biggest accomplishment was that they were hired by a major.
Yes, in reality, the elitist snobs are the LEAST desirable person to have working at a company, let alone sitting in the cockpit. I'll take a redneck from the Louisiana Bayou, even if I can't understand half of what they say, THEY are the most desirable to have sitting next to me.
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Old 04-10-2015, 03:19 AM
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Originally Posted by RB211
Why don't you do something significant in life that requires you to evolve cognitively? Go become an engineer, or software programmer, where every project forces you to evolve by a few magnitudes in terms of what you know?

Love this part.



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Old 04-10-2015, 04:37 AM
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As a privately-held company, Mesa does not report their balance sheet (and other specs) to the SEC so we can look over their shoulders. You'd need to know an insider (company employee, stock-holder, etc.) to see the information. Subject, also, to possible misinformation released/leaked for strategic purposes.

Come negotiating time, you would expect them to release limited information to support their positions to the other side's negotiators. If those negotiators are smart, they would demand audited figures, to avoid slanted data.

Sometimes, you just have to read the tea leaves and extrapolate around what you (think you) know.
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Old 04-10-2015, 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted by skillett
Come on, leave MileHigh alone. Are you going to tell me Chuck Yeager was a crap pilot. The guy was raised up in the hills of West Virginia and entered the army as a private. Was a mechanic for years. Not all, but a majority of the book smart guys I have flown with aren't very good sticks. Like my dad always said. (Air Force test pilot) "You can read that damn checklist into the ground". "I'm going to get us home". Now I'm not here to put any of you guys down. But that guy, that you insult, might be a hell of a pilot.
Notice how major airlines care more about you having a college degree than how good of a stick you are? PTS standards is just fine. No chuck yeager skill required. Good sticks do things like crop dust, perform at air shows, kill bad guys from the air, etc. Good airline pilots know about their airplane, operations, and regulations, fly within PTS standards, and respond to emergencies and other crisis management stuff airline pilots are trained to do...and they are generally regarded as professional. I've never seen "good stick" anywhere on an airline pilot job requirement other than flying to pts standards. But I do see professionalism as a requirement, and the ability to read speak and write in the English language.

Also, no one said milehigh, or Yeager, was a crap pilot. Quit making crap up.
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Old 04-10-2015, 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by FaceBiten
Notice how major airlines care more about you having a college degree than how good of a stick you are? PTS standards is just fine. No chuck yeager skill required. Good sticks do things like crop dust, perform at air shows, kill bad guys from the air, etc. Good airline pilots know about their airplane, operations, and regulations, fly within PTS standards, and respond to emergencies and other crisis management stuff airline pilots are trained to do...and they are generally regarded as professional. I've never seen "good stick" anywhere on an airline pilot job requirement other than flying to pts standards. But I do see professionalism as a requirement, and the ability to read speak and write in the English language.

Also, no one said milehigh, or Yeager, was a crap pilot. Quit making crap up.
No but you were insulting him for his mis-spelling. Just saying he might be a better person/pilot than you.
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Old 04-10-2015, 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by RB211
Now, I am not calling you out, and what I am about to say is painted with a very broad stroke that does not cover every pilot.

The elitist snobs who are constantly judging others are the very LEAST desirable people to have in the cockpit. You're not special, what you do every day for a career is one of the easiest jobs you could possibly have. You do not take work home with you, all you do is show up at the gate and do your job. You're not a doctor, your not an engineer, the biggest accomplishment in your life is that you made it as far as you have in this industry without going bankrupt or getting divorced.

If it wasn't for the government stepping in, you would be replaced by a 250 hour pilot who would do your job for free. You want to be an elitist snob? Why don't you do something significant in life that requires you to evolve cognitively? Go become an engineer, or software programmer, where every project forces you to evolve by a few magnitudes in terms of what you know?
Most pilots have absolutely no marketable skills outside of aviation, if you were to lose your aviation career, you can go take your elitism bull**** with you to truck driver school, or In and Out while you flip burgers. It's no different at mainline, where their biggest accomplishment was that they were hired by a major.
Yes, in reality, the elitist snobs are the LEAST desirable person to have working at a company, let alone sitting in the cockpit. I'll take a redneck from the Louisiana Bayou, even if I can't understand half of what they say, THEY are the most desirable to have sitting next to me.
Whoa, where the hell did this come from. Just saying some of the senior guys have been screwed over in the past. That's why they are wary. I don't know where you got off thinking I'm being an elitist snob. Yes, this job is pretty easy until things go wrong.

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Old 04-10-2015, 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by FaceBiten
Notice how major airlines care more about you having a college degree than how good of a stick you are? PTS standards is just fine. No chuck yeager skill required. Good sticks do things like crop dust, perform at air shows, kill bad guys from the air, etc. Good airline pilots know about their airplane, operations, and regulations, fly within PTS standards, and respond to emergencies and other crisis management stuff airline pilots are trained to do...and they are generally regarded as professional. I've never seen "good stick" anywhere on an airline pilot job requirement other than flying to pts standards. But I do see professionalism as a requirement, and the ability to read speak and write in the English language.

Also, no one said milehigh, or Yeager, was a crap pilot. Quit making crap up.
No, but because of your insults toward his spelling were geared toward his inability to operate an aircraft. Stick skills are no longer a requirement in the professional aviation world. But they should be. When the autopilot can't hold the localizer because of strong winds and turbulence. Maybe an emergency going on as well. I would rather have a good stick flying than your run of the mill college graduate. You might not get hired on stick skills, but everyone in the company knows if you have them or you don't. Small world.

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Old 04-10-2015, 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by RB211
Now, I am not calling you out, and what I am about to say is painted with a very broad stroke that does not cover every pilot.

The elitist snobs who are constantly judging others are the very LEAST desirable people to have in the cockpit. You're not special, what you do every day for a career is one of the easiest jobs you could possibly have. You do not take work home with you, all you do is show up at the gate and do your job. You're not a doctor, your not an engineer, the biggest accomplishment in your life is that you made it as far as you have in this industry without going bankrupt or getting divorced.

If it wasn't for the government stepping in, you would be replaced by a 250 hour pilot who would do your job for free. You want to be an elitist snob? Why don't you do something significant in life that requires you to evolve cognitively? Go become an engineer, or software programmer, where every project forces you to evolve by a few magnitudes in terms of what you know?
Most pilots have absolutely no marketable skills outside of aviation, if you were to lose your aviation career, you can go take your elitism bull**** with you to truck driver school, or In and Out while you flip burgers. It's no different at mainline, where their biggest accomplishment was that they were hired by a major.
Yes, in reality, the elitist snobs are the LEAST desirable person to have working at a company, let alone sitting in the cockpit. I'll take a redneck from the Louisiana Bayou, even if I can't understand half of what they say, THEY are the most desirable to have sitting next to me.
I think this reply is geared toward someone else. I'm not insulting anyone. Simply backing up someone getting bullied for a few mis-spells.
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