fastback

His context clues implied that a circle to land limitation on a type rating constitutes a restricted ATP. That is not the case. Words, brah.

flapshalfspeed

Not sure what your background is, but if you don't know why we're making a big deal out of winter ops, then you don't really have enough experience/time to understand what we're talking about.

flapshalfspeed

Snickers is correct. The poster asked if a circling approach limitation constituted a "restricted ATP" for the purposes of getting a job in China, and that is correct.

In China, any restrictions on the type rating/certificate constitute a "restricted" ATP. From the CAAC's perspective, you do not have an ATP at all if you have a circling approach limitation on the certificate (your ATP) and/or on the type you seek to operate there (CL-65 or E170/190 or whatever).

In the USA, of course, the term "restricted ATP" now implies a reduced-hours ATP under the ammended 1,500 hour rule. But that was not the question asked--the question asked was if a circling appch limitation means "restricted ATP" to Chinese employers/Chinese authorities.

flapshalfspeed

I'm sure you already have your answer, but to clarify the previous answers provided, most 121 regionals do not seek an authorization in their ops specs to conduct circling approach manuevers in IMC anymore, and thus they don't typically train for it. (it is one less thing to do in that costly sim).

Additionally, in 2013 the FAA modified TERPS criteria, expanding the visibility required to shoot a circle-to-land approach in IMC. For a Cat C/D aircraft, the new visibilities required are often 3 SM or greater, so it's essentially a pointless manuever for a Cat C/D operator who primarily operates US domestic 121 flights.

XDashDriver I'm not sure what the approach speed of the Dash is, but if it was Cat A/B perhaps that helps to explain why Mesa actually authorized and trained for IMC circling in the Dash.

Cargo operators and operators who frequent countries like China where such procedures are more common are probably more likely to train for it. And the CAAC in China does require all circling limitations to be removed from the type and the ATP before validating your license/privileges.

Hope that provides more depth on the topic. Go read here if you're bored and geeking out on this Saturday night:

FAA Expands Size of Protected Airspace for Circling Approaches | NBAA - National Business Aviation Association

Lavdumper

Question about jsing on UA with a checked bag.

Should I make a non-rev reservation for my flight or just show up to the airport with the bag and tell them I'm jumpseating?

Sorry for the newbie question.

NovemberBravo

OK you're right super dangerous and only Riddle graduates should be able to fly in and out of it.

Bikingscott

Make the non-rev reservation (PNR) then you can check-in and check bags to your final destination. This is especially helpful if you are making connections.
If the flight is full, tell the gate agent that you are listed as standby, with a bag, and you want to Jumpseat (OMC, on UA)
They simply convert your PNR to OMC, and you and your bag are on.
BS.

Bikingscott

Flaps is 100% correct. Good post.

Xdashdriver

Yup, it is CAT B...just didn't go to such great lengths to explain it like you did. We actually needed to do circling approaches to get into the mountain airports too.

Silverwings

Thanks!
It is understandable, I don't think I ever did a circling approach in IMC even though we are allowed to do them, and train them in the sim.
I guess it is one less thing to potentially Fk-up in the sim. 😊