ScottyDo

Can't argue with you there. But if one was to want job security then a regional airline is not the place.

RB211

Guys, I think you are worrying a little too much about this. These guys will have to demonstrate during IOE that they are able to set the tone as the captain and make safe and competent decisions. When they do their FED ride, with the FAA or Hogan, they are looking to make sure the new Captain can do it. After they finish IOE, 100 hours later, they are getting a line check, 6 months later they are resetting the AQP clock and they go back to Phoenix for AQP. The new captains are receiving excellent training, and frequent training in their first 6 months doing it.
And on top of all of this, they already been doing it from the right seat for the past 1000 hours.
So like I said earlier, they need to set the tone, be the PIC, and make competent decisions, IF they want to pass IOE.
Do you honestly think Hogan would allow some one that is a danger to pass? Do you honestly think that Tallman doing a 100 hour line check down the road would allow an unsafe captain to continue? Do you honestly think one of the many AQP instructors would allow a captain who was incompetent to continue?
FO's are one thing, being a Captain is not a right, and can go away as quickly as you got it.

PilotGuy77

Great post

cherokee micro

If you are asking personally for me. Yes. 1200 of my 1500 TT is on B737.
So after flying at Mesa for two years I will have almost 3000 Hours Jet time.
so not a big deal. and by the way... if you fly to Turkey or to Asia you will face captains that they do not even know how to read an airplane manual and calculate an approach speed when they have a flaps failure..
FCOM as we used to call them there.. You will find captains that don't even know how to fly a 737 visual because guess what ??? nobody flies visual approaches there.. you will find captains during the simulator checks that will ask for vectors around from the atc to solve a fire problem with inextinguishable fire.. and not trying to land as soon as possible. you will find many idiots over there flying the good machines and if I will continue writing I can tell you many stories for people flying over there big jets that for sure are much worse than our regional Captains here.. and guess what ??? all of those arrogants would say to you... "I needed thousand of hours to become a captain" I am pretty sure that most of the CFIs who got their ratings here in America will be much better Captains on a 900 when they reach their 3000TT than those people...

cherokee micro

Flying is a pleasure not a job. Let people enjoy what they do and what they chose.. do not criticize when you see a regional offering fast upgrades to new hires.. if a guy with 3000 TT deserves to become a Captain the company will give him the chance. If not he can try later on when he will be ready.. I don't think that Mesa will upgrade somebody if he is not capable.. Good day to everybody

FaceBiten

The false assumption with the majority of these long time regional pilots' posts is that most newhires at mesa are CFIs with 1500 hours of time in a piston single in the pattern. In my class there were a couple of those, but by and large the majority were prior 121, corporate, overseas contract, military, etc., many with more turbine time than the instructors and who made a move to mesa for a quick upgrade so they can get on with their career. Some of the senior guys who got screwed by the industry and kept plugging away getting stuck in the regionals need to realize that a lot of these "newb" FOs have paid their dues elsewhere and probably aren't as much of an air disaster waiting to happen as some of you all would like to proclaim on here. Looking at the latest classes info on Marcias email I see more CFIs than not, so maybe all those types I mentioned are in TSA/PSAs classes now (until next class since we just started announcing more growth) but before you paint a picture of all these crew rooms filled with 24 year old dorks who built their time playing flight sim in mommy and daddy's basement hoping to upgrade on their one year work anniversary of their first ever flying job, give some credit where credit is due. If someone sucks and can't hack it, they will likely get weeded out long before they are in the left seat. If they don't, that's on the company and its many check airmen and instructors. people come to mesa for one reason, quick upgrade. Don't expect any other reason to come out of a newhires mouth because there really isn't one. So stop complaining about it. Want to complain? Complain to Alvin that our newhires are so terrible and entitled and we need to stop hiring these guys with 1500 hours and convince him and JO that we need at least 2500 and 500-1000 turbine pic, bc without that, people are unsafe and can't make decisions. That seems to be the consensus amongst some of you all. I'm sure that will be a lovely conversation.

porkins89

Haven't seen anything at mesa yet but I noticed a good number of regional's have a CTP course. Has anyone heard if they are making one at mesa?

Duct Mon

Some of these people who post on here are "Worst Case Scenario" types. I'm sure they are a pleasure to share the cockpit with when they finally upgrade after many years and or many regionals sitting in the right seat. They're just upset that the upgrade didn't come fast enough for them.
Don't let these types keep you or us down. Work hard, study hard, and prove them wrong.

RV5M

Probably for another thread, but this is something that really interests me. Are they really that incompetent at Eastern/Asian airlines? Truly unable to fly a visual, handle an emergency, etc?

Sometimes I find anecdotal evidence for this, or read things like your post, but not much is written about it. It kind of changes the argument that a piloted airliner is safer when this is the situation outside of the western world. Also makes me want to quit flying. What's the point in being competent anymore?

The Taiwan crash is a good example. If it turns out to be a simple engine failure, the pilots should have been able to handle the situation.

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Back in '05, when CAL started hiring off the street again, most of the initial new-hire classes were filled with the kids, and their friends, of the flight ops management team. After that it was the former interns. So the first 6 months most new-hires were lower time and 0 TPIC. By late '06 to early '07 those folks were getting 737 Captain awards, while some held off, many upgraded. Those pilots that did upgrade were just fine with a few exceptions. Age 65, oil spike, etc knocked them out of those seats but most of them made it back, some even to the 757/767, and some of those had never done an Atlantic crossing until they sat in the left seat of the 757/767. It's all about the training. If you can make it through all of the hoops then good on ya. And yes, folks don't make it at Mesa that try and upgrade, I believe 2 of the Captain upgrades paired up with my wife's Ejet class didn't make the cut.