FloridaLarry

RV5M said: "If we're going to be grammar Nazis: There are only three periods in an ellipsis."

True, unless it is at the end of a sentence being quoted. Then one period for the quote, plus three for the ellipsis.

Sort of like epaulets. But only kind of.

Snickers

Dude.... LMAO!!!!!!!

flapshalfspeed

I'll laugh at anyone who quits because they were bypassed by a street Captain--definitely let me know if any of you guys do that.

That's a perfect example of the millenial entitlement brat mindset that seems to be more prevalent in the younger, newer ranks of our seniority list. People in their 30s/40s who grew up without Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter don't take every single thing that happens in their life/job as a personal insult. Something changed in the younger millenials--people around 18-25 years old or so. There's this hyper-narcissistic mindset, and if you don't constantly validate them, they cry and quit and run to mommy.

If a street Captain bypasses you because you don't have your time, you don't quit like a little girl because you think it's unfair--you bust your ass trying to get your 1,000 hours because you now have the seniority to upgrade.

Typical entitlement brat mentality: instead of working to overcome the issue precluding you from getting what you want, you take it personally and quit because it wasn't handed to you when you wanted it.

flapshalfspeed

Sometimes I feel like I'm watching an episode of Girls when I talk to new hires crying about how unfair something is or how upset they are about their PBS award.

Pilottim79

Depends on the situation. Say all aircraft arrive. No new growth. Mesa then hires enough street Captains that upgrades slow to a practical stop. You're a new hire that upgrade went from 18 months to 5 years now.

Mesa isn't a place to hang around at FO

CBreezy

You sound like an old man. Get those darn kids with their crazy rocking music off my lawn!

Studies have actually shown that anyone younger than 30 has had it harder than the 40 year old age group. They were raised during an economic boom and told to go to college and they'd make 70 out of the gates. Only by the time they got to college, the economy was in shambles and now nearly a quarter of them are unemployed.

flapshalfspeed

That's true for the vast majority of people younger than 30--except for the ones whose parents had enough money to pay for flight training at AllATPs/ERAU in the middle of the worst economic times since the depression, a.k.a. the average Mesa new-hire at this moment in time

I'm not talking about the average person under 30 in the entire US workforce...I'm referring to the average person under 30 working on 1st year FO pay at Mesa right now.

PiperPower

If my parents could have afforded my college education or flight training, I would not have turned them down. Who would? I've never understood why people that came from fortunate familys are hated on. I'll admit I'm jealous of people like that. It's not fun to be drowning in loans. But if their family could afford it, good for them.
And how do you come up with this "average?" Do you poll everyone you fly with and ask how they paid for their flight training? If you asked me that I'd tell you it's none of your damn business. That's not my barometer of respect for someone. If they're a terrible pilot, that's when I start judging. But because of how they financed their school? Come on...

FaceBiten

In my class there weren't a whole lot of people who took on a bunch of flight training loans or went to erau-like schools or had mom and dad pay for it. Wide mix of backgrounds, most involved self financing and hard work building time and ratings from what I could tell when everyone was telling their story. Funny thing is I've flown with several 250 hour allATP wonder captains at Mesa, who had it pretty damn easy compared to the guys who need 1500 hrs now. Only difference is those 250 hour wonders from the 90s/early 2000s are still stuck at Mesa, and thus bitter about the "millenials," knowing the newhires of today with a 4 year degree will likely not be at Mesa in 5 years while they've had to wait for a decade or more in the regionals. Oh and half my class was 30 or over, many prior 121/135, and/or have been slaving away building time or in another career for the last 10-25 years. Hardly the stereotypical entitled millenial newhire you speak of.
And the millenials were hard workers who haven't exactly been handed the job at Mesa on a silver platter.

Newhires want fast upgrades? Crazy, that's the only reason people have had to come to mesa other than maybe they live in phx and don't want to commute. Are thy entitled? No, they just want to keep their aviation career going. From my experience the guys who have been stuck at Mesa have worse attitudes about this profession and life in general than the average newhire. A young entitled millenial wants to quit for greener pastures and quicker upgrade bc the music stopped at Mesa? Cool, let him. Give JO a reason to improve things.

I think flaps will only be happy if the average newhire was 24, with debt, and had the attitude that they want to be in the regionals for 10-15 more years, have a 5-7 year upgrade, all because they don't deserve to get to the majors before they are 35 or 40 because its unfair how luck and timing worked out.

FaceBiten

Not "playa hatin" but rather countering his unfounded hate on newhires.