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11-08-2013, 12:43 PM
#551
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Joined APC: Dec 2010
Position: South Paw
Posts: 630
Its not about flight time. You either have it or you don't. I have never flown the 175 but it is still a high performance jet that will be flown in and around thunderstorms and smaller airports in blowing snow conditions. Yes the 175 is very automated but that can be a problem as well. Asiana 214 and Air France 447 to name a few recent accidents. The advanced automation was a factor in both.
11-08-2013, 12:49 PM
#552
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Joined APC: Aug 2011
Position: Cloud surfing
Posts: 492
Its not about flight time. You either have it or you don't. I have never flown the 175 but it is still a high performance jet that will be flown in and around thunderstorms and smaller airports in blowing snow conditions. Yes the 175 is very automated but that can be a problem as well. Asiana 214 and Air France 447 to name a few recent accidents. The advanced automation was a factor in both.
11-08-2013, 01:25 PM
#553
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Joined APC: Dec 2010
Position: South Paw
Posts: 630
Well im sitting here shooting the shinola with the senior captains. We are seeing, unable to plan a decent, unable to land the aircraft, poor communication and deer in the headlight moments. Two instances of low and slow on approach that would have ended 500ft. short of the runway until the captain took the airplane. One guy even being a butt about it saying that I had it, the captain replying that if you don't land on the runway, its called a crash.
11-08-2013, 04:52 PM
#554
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Joined APC: Dec 2008
Position: CA CR7
Posts: 18
I agree with Skillett 100%. Being based in IAD (new hire central) I've seen first hand some of the "slippage through the cracks"...I understand that they are new, I understand that they are learning, I understand that they have 1500 hours, I understand that I was new, and I hope to be new again somewhere bigger...I GET IT...but attitude goes along way as well. Some of these guys are humble and you want to go out of your way to help them, others not so much. It makes a big difference over the course of a 4 day trip.
Needless to say, every trip now is approached much differently than in years past, when all the FOs were downgraded CAs and had tons of experience. It's a steep learning curve, for both of us, lol.
Needless to say, every trip now is approached much differently than in years past, when all the FOs were downgraded CAs and had tons of experience. It's a steep learning curve, for both of us, lol.
11-08-2013, 05:41 PM
#555
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Joined APC: Mar 2013
Position: 175 Left
Posts: 1,539
Well im sitting here shooting the shinola with the senior captains. We are seeing, unable to plan a decent, unable to land the aircraft, poor communication and deer in the headlight moments. Two instances of low and slow on approach that would have ended 500ft. short of the runway until the captain took the airplane. One guy even being a butt about it saying that I had it, the captain replying that if you don't land on the runway, its called a crash.
I don't think as professionals this kind of stuff should be openly discussed on public forums.
11-08-2013, 06:47 PM
#556
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Joined APC: Dec 2010
Position: South Paw
Posts: 630
I agree completely. This should not be discussed in the open and I apologize for throwing you newbies under the bus like that. I just think before the "under two year upgrade fanatical ism" gets thrown around and discussed. You guys and gals should be patient and get the skill and experience before you jump to the left seat. It will come with time, it's a big jump over to a jet for some and there is a lot to learn.
11-09-2013, 03:33 AM
#557
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Joined APC: Mar 2013
Position: 175 Left
Posts: 1,539
I agree completely. This should not be discussed in the open and I apologize for throwing you newbies under the bus like that. I just think before the "under two year upgrade fanatical ism" gets thrown around and discussed. You guys and gals should be patient and get the skill and experience before you jump to the left seat. It will come with time, it's a big jump over to a jet for some and there is a lot to learn.
Because you know none of us came with hundreds or thousands of hours in EJET products or MD80s flying in Africa.
All your posts say is "I'm butthurt that I've had to be an 8 year F/O and these new guys will upgrade in 2 years or less."
11-09-2013, 05:23 AM
#558
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Joined APC: Jan 2009
Posts: 1,459
I agree completely. This should not be discussed in the open and I apologize for throwing you newbies under the bus like that. I just think before the "under two year upgrade fanatical ism" gets thrown around and discussed. You guys and gals should be patient and get the skill and experience before you jump to the left seat. It will come with time, it's a big jump over to a jet for some and there is a lot to learn.
Any military guys on here care to share how many years and hours you have to fly as FO in a two pilot advanced jet before you are allowed to be aircraft commander?
11-09-2013, 05:28 AM
#559
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Joined APC: Jan 2009
Posts: 1,459
Cheer up Skillett, you'll be upgrading in a few months if you haven't already, and then you can take these new guys to school.
Make 'em earn it!
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