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11-01-2013, 10:16 PM
#481
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Joined APC: Mar 2007
Position: line...reserve...furlough
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The contract. FO's cannot change equipment unless upgrading. Captains cannot change equipment unless pay raise. This is the interesting part. All captains on reserve or vacation are paid 50 seat pay. (We still have 3 50 seaters in Hawaii). Union has group grievance pending. So, does management settle grievance to prevent training costs, or maintain 50 seat pay and let captains go wild bidding over to new plane? Still waiting on that and where the planes will be at.
11-02-2013, 09:10 AM
#482
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Joined APC: Aug 2011
Position: Cloud surfing
Posts: 492
It is known that Mesa is a really "bad place to work". Can someone elaborate on why? What is so bad about this place as compared to other regionals contract wise? The pay is low, but it's low everywhere else. I am referring to everything else...
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11-02-2013, 09:17 AM
#483
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Joined APC: Jan 2009
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The contract. FO's cannot change equipment unless upgrading. Captains cannot change equipment unless pay raise. This is the interesting part. All captains on reserve or vacation are paid 50 seat pay. (We still have 3 50 seaters in Hawaii). Union has group grievance pending. So, does management settle grievance to prevent training costs, or maintain 50 seat pay and let captains go wild bidding over to new plane? Still waiting on that and where the planes will be at.
With the 900 rates now effectively gutted to equal 700 rates, there will be every reason for CRJ commuters to move to the 175s as they will achieve a pay raise (76 seat pay on reserve & vacation.) I can't see the company letting that happen - it would just be massively expensive.
Hopefully they just get rid of this ridiculous 50 seat base pay issue.
11-02-2013, 09:20 AM
#484
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Posts: 1,459
Baron - it isn't that bad anymore. Honestly, there are many issues, some of them are glaring. But I think a lot of what you're referring to comes from several years back. We've made some vast improvements since those days. I've been here over 10 now - so I have a little perspective. I'm sure many others on here will have me drawn & quartered for saying this - but I believe it to be true. We can get into specifics if you like - but right now me wife says breakfast is ready!!!
11-02-2013, 09:23 AM
#485
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Joined APC: Aug 2011
Position: Cloud surfing
Posts: 492
Baron - it isn't that bad anymore. Honestly, there are many issues, some of them are glaring. But I think a lot of what you're referring to comes from several years back. We've made some vast improvements since those days. I've been here over 10 now - so I have a little perspective. I'm sure many others on here will have me drawn & quartered for saying this - but I believe it to be true. We can get into specifics if you like - but right now me wife says breakfast is ready!!!
11-02-2013, 10:56 AM
#487
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Joined APC: Jan 2009
Posts: 1,459
Here are a few things that come to mind.
In the old days:
10 days off minimum for RSV
No block or better
No Line guarantee (no cancellation pay)
Zero recourse for Junior Assignment
8,10,or 12 hour ready reserve (usually assignment was 10 hours - but still)
No ASAP program
Fatigue calls resulted in hold for the chief pilot, where you would be questioned.
Brutal 5 day integration process between monthly paper bids
Now we have:
11 days off for RSV
Block or better
Line guarantee w/ cancellation pay
Junior assignment only if you agree that you are available.
6,8, or 10 hour ready reserve (usual assignment is 8 hours)
ASAP program
Fatigue call results in a polite request to go online and fill out a fatigue form, that's it! Period!
Commuter clause, but I've heard it is kind of useless.
We also have FLICA and PBS now, but I won't list them as positives because staffing rarely permits FLICA's true usefulness, and PBS is debated between Sr, and Jr. pilots as to whether it is a positive. I like it better for RSV because you have much more flexibility on days off, but again I'm senior on reserve.
We've also lost some ground on a few things over the years too. Company has gotten much more aggressive with a new non-negotiated attendance policy. Health insurance is worse than laughable - worse rip-off known to man!
Want more warm and fuzzys - check out my old post here:
In the old days:
10 days off minimum for RSV
No block or better
No Line guarantee (no cancellation pay)
Zero recourse for Junior Assignment
8,10,or 12 hour ready reserve (usually assignment was 10 hours - but still)
No ASAP program
Fatigue calls resulted in hold for the chief pilot, where you would be questioned.
Brutal 5 day integration process between monthly paper bids
Now we have:
11 days off for RSV
Block or better
Line guarantee w/ cancellation pay
Junior assignment only if you agree that you are available.
6,8, or 10 hour ready reserve (usual assignment is 8 hours)
ASAP program
Fatigue call results in a polite request to go online and fill out a fatigue form, that's it! Period!
Commuter clause, but I've heard it is kind of useless.
We also have FLICA and PBS now, but I won't list them as positives because staffing rarely permits FLICA's true usefulness, and PBS is debated between Sr, and Jr. pilots as to whether it is a positive. I like it better for RSV because you have much more flexibility on days off, but again I'm senior on reserve.
We've also lost some ground on a few things over the years too. Company has gotten much more aggressive with a new non-negotiated attendance policy. Health insurance is worse than laughable - worse rip-off known to man!
Want more warm and fuzzys - check out my old post here:
A few positives just for fun.
#1) Training
I don't know how to compare our training department to others because I've only been here, but after 10 years here, many years in the Navy and in other professional fields I am continually impressed with the degree of professionalism that the individual instructors, examiners and check-airmen exude. With rare exception they have always been extremely competent, understanding, helpful, and enjoyable.
Strangely whenever I've been in the pipeline for a transition (3 different a/c over 2 different certificates) or upgrade, or recurrent. I absolutely feel like I'm at a different company. Hell even ASAP remedial was a pleasure - sorry it's true!
You will have a solid training experience here, no doubt about it!
#2)
Chief Pilots out west are phenomenal! (Can't speak to the ones out east) These guys work their asses off for the pilot group. In many cases their hands are tied, but they persist in trying to do the right thing and are extremely fair. They are not out to get you, and are real pilot's pilots, (experienced pilots from the old school). We're dang lucky to have them, and most of us know it!
#3)
Down to earth professional crews who work hard, fly well, and act like decent human beings to one another and the people they come in contact with i.e. station personnel. Sounds mushy but we're all beat up and we know it, the only thing we truly have is each other, and so we tend to protect it, for sanity's sake.
#4)
A fleet of big RJ's.
#5)
Electronic Flight Bag! Yes, i know we have to pay for the Ipad ourselves but I don't mind because this is huge
#6)
Very good on-time/completion numbers which hopefully translates into extended contracts and future business. Please see #3 for the reason behind this.
This is not Koolaid guys. Trust me, I'm a big critic of this place, but I also know good things when I see them, and what I've mentioned in this post is the truly good, and not the only good, there is more, but this stands out for me.
#1) Training
I don't know how to compare our training department to others because I've only been here, but after 10 years here, many years in the Navy and in other professional fields I am continually impressed with the degree of professionalism that the individual instructors, examiners and check-airmen exude. With rare exception they have always been extremely competent, understanding, helpful, and enjoyable.
Strangely whenever I've been in the pipeline for a transition (3 different a/c over 2 different certificates) or upgrade, or recurrent. I absolutely feel like I'm at a different company. Hell even ASAP remedial was a pleasure - sorry it's true!
You will have a solid training experience here, no doubt about it!
#2)
Chief Pilots out west are phenomenal! (Can't speak to the ones out east) These guys work their asses off for the pilot group. In many cases their hands are tied, but they persist in trying to do the right thing and are extremely fair. They are not out to get you, and are real pilot's pilots, (experienced pilots from the old school). We're dang lucky to have them, and most of us know it!
#3)
Down to earth professional crews who work hard, fly well, and act like decent human beings to one another and the people they come in contact with i.e. station personnel. Sounds mushy but we're all beat up and we know it, the only thing we truly have is each other, and so we tend to protect it, for sanity's sake.
#4)
A fleet of big RJ's.
#5)
Electronic Flight Bag! Yes, i know we have to pay for the Ipad ourselves but I don't mind because this is huge
#6)
Very good on-time/completion numbers which hopefully translates into extended contracts and future business. Please see #3 for the reason behind this.
This is not Koolaid guys. Trust me, I'm a big critic of this place, but I also know good things when I see them, and what I've mentioned in this post is the truly good, and not the only good, there is more, but this stands out for me.
Last edited by sulkair; 11-02-2013 at 11:40 AM.
11-02-2013, 12:02 PM
#489
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Joined APC: Jan 2009
Posts: 1,459
The industry average employee contribution for health care insurance monthly premiums is 25-35 percent. You, as a Mesa pilot, contribute more than double that amount depending upon the plan you’re on...
11-02-2013, 12:21 PM
#490
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Joined APC: Aug 2011
Position: Cloud surfing
Posts: 492
Here are a few things that come to mind.
In the old days:
10 days off minimum for RSV
No block or better
No Line guarantee (no cancellation pay)
Zero recourse for Junior Assignment
8,10,or 12 hour ready reserve (usually assignment was 10 hours - but still)
No ASAP program
Fatigue calls resulted in hold for the chief pilot, where you would be questioned.
Brutal 5 day integration process between monthly paper bids
Now we have:
11 days off for RSV
Block or better
Line guarantee w/ cancellation pay
Junior assignment only if you agree that you are available.
6,8, or 10 hour ready reserve (usual assignment is 8 hours)
ASAP program
Fatigue call results in a polite request to go online and fill out a fatigue form, that's it! Period!
Commuter clause, but I've heard it is kind of useless.
We also have FLICA and PBS now, but I won't list them as positives because staffing rarely permits FLICA's true usefulness, and PBS is debated between Sr, and Jr. pilots as to whether it is a positive. I like it better for RSV because you have much more flexibility on days off, but again I'm senior on reserve.
We've also lost some ground on a few things over the years too. Company has gotten much more aggressive with a new non-negotiated attendance policy. Health insurance is worse than laughable - worse rip-off known to man!
Want more warm and fuzzys - check out my old post here:
In the old days:
10 days off minimum for RSV
No block or better
No Line guarantee (no cancellation pay)
Zero recourse for Junior Assignment
8,10,or 12 hour ready reserve (usually assignment was 10 hours - but still)
No ASAP program
Fatigue calls resulted in hold for the chief pilot, where you would be questioned.
Brutal 5 day integration process between monthly paper bids
Now we have:
11 days off for RSV
Block or better
Line guarantee w/ cancellation pay
Junior assignment only if you agree that you are available.
6,8, or 10 hour ready reserve (usual assignment is 8 hours)
ASAP program
Fatigue call results in a polite request to go online and fill out a fatigue form, that's it! Period!
Commuter clause, but I've heard it is kind of useless.
We also have FLICA and PBS now, but I won't list them as positives because staffing rarely permits FLICA's true usefulness, and PBS is debated between Sr, and Jr. pilots as to whether it is a positive. I like it better for RSV because you have much more flexibility on days off, but again I'm senior on reserve.
We've also lost some ground on a few things over the years too. Company has gotten much more aggressive with a new non-negotiated attendance policy. Health insurance is worse than laughable - worse rip-off known to man!
Want more warm and fuzzys - check out my old post here:
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