Everyone says this, at every regional, regardless of the screening process. I can't speak for current classes, but my class and those before and after mine did fine. A couple people struggled and resigned, others had to leave for other reasons (this is not "washing out").

The example I was given was:

In the past if you let's say you busted PTS standards on Steep turns, you were able to re-do the procedure.

Then you busted PTS standards on say a single engine ILS, you were given a retry.

They can't do this anymore. It's still going to be heavily based on the DPE's discretion.

Let's say you do bust a maneuver or two barely, but in general everything else is good, your probably going to be OK.

Don't get too excited folks.

Any of you non 121 guys, it's going to be the same as any check ride you did before. You bust, you retrain then you come back for another try.

This is how it was at Republic. If you train proficiently you have nothing to worry about.

The alternative is a pink slip then a retry.

Are you saying that's it's only the 2nd career types that have slipped thru training that are "p*ss poor"?
I've met some of those guys. I've also met some of these young guys with restricted ATP's with no real flying experience.
I'll take the more experienced pilot than a snot nose kid who doesn't know jack.

I don't see the big deal...either you can fly the sim after 25-30 hours to ATP standards or you can't. Most DPEs and check airman would let a 150 foot deviation in altitude slide.

If the training department is willing to give a extra sim or two, to help people get through, and people are still busting rides, it's not a training department problem IMO.

I'm assuming if a 121 or a 135 guy goes to Mesa, and has a good attitude, they shouldn't have an issue?

Yes. That is exactly what I'm saying. The 1000 hr R-ATPs 23 year olds straight from instructing are much better than the 55 year olds who have 1500 hours of C-152 time over the course of 20 years.


Just repeating what the CKA I talk to tell me.

No, you actually have to be competent and try.

I haven't met a 55 y/o 152 pilot yet. I think you're exaggerating. There were a couple older guys in the class but they resigned before sim or during the first module.
Age doesn't matter as long as they're a good stick and have good decision making skills.

it's not the 20 year olds having issues, but the 45-55 year olds? Is that a real shocker?