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12-16-2014, 03:45 PM
#4641
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Joined APC: Dec 2010
Posts: 977
Ha--I just deleted it. I don't have all the facts yet and need to make a couple phone calls--don't want to lead anyone in the wrong direction.
Here's the FAA AC on AQP programs if you're bored and really want to know all the details:
http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/m...AC_120-54a.pdf
Here's the FAA AC on AQP programs if you're bored and really want to know all the details:
http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/m...AC_120-54a.pdf
12-16-2014, 03:48 PM
#4642
Chief Engineer
Joined APC: Aug 2014
Position: CRJ FO
Posts: 815
Ha--I just deleted it. I don't have all the facts yet and need to make a couple phone calls--don't want to lead anyone in the wrong direction.
Here's the FAA AC on AQP programs if you're bored and really want to know all the details:
http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/m...AC_120-54a.pdf
Here's the FAA AC on AQP programs if you're bored and really want to know all the details:
http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/m...AC_120-54a.pdf
I start class tomorrow, I can try and find out for everyone.
12-16-2014, 04:04 PM
#4643
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Joined APC: Mar 2013
Position: 175 Left
Posts: 1,539
I don't know if they're taking people with multiple busts, but the caliber of pilot is p*ss poor.
2nd career types. 1500 hours over the course of 20years types.
There are people online that slipped thru training, that, quite frankly from the stories I'm hearing have no place in an airliner.
12-16-2014, 04:07 PM
#4644
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Joined APC: Nov 2013
Posts: 150
Not with the kinda new hires we are seeing.
I don't know if they're taking people with multiple busts, but the caliber of pilot is p*ss poor.
2nd career types. 1500 hours of the course of 20years types.
There are people online that slipped thru training that, quite frankly from the stories I'm hearing have no place in an airliner.
I don't know if they're taking people with multiple busts, but the caliber of pilot is p*ss poor.
2nd career types. 1500 hours of the course of 20years types.
There are people online that slipped thru training that, quite frankly from the stories I'm hearing have no place in an airliner.
12-16-2014, 04:10 PM
#4645
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2013
Posts: 150
Not with the kinda new hires we are seeing.
I don't know if they're taking people with multiple busts, but the caliber of pilot is p*ss poor.
2nd career types. 1500 hours over the course of 20years types.
There are people online that slipped thru training, that, quite frankly from the stories I'm hearing have no place in an airliner.
I don't know if they're taking people with multiple busts, but the caliber of pilot is p*ss poor.
2nd career types. 1500 hours over the course of 20years types.
There are people online that slipped thru training, that, quite frankly from the stories I'm hearing have no place in an airliner.
12-16-2014, 04:13 PM
#4646
sippin' dat koolaid
Joined APC: Jun 2013
Position: gear slinger
Posts: 982
Not with the kinda new hires we are seeing.
I don't know if they're taking people with multiple busts, but the caliber of pilot is p*ss poor.
2nd career types. 1500 hours over the course of 20years types.
There are people online that slipped thru training, that, quite frankly from the stories I'm hearing have no place in an airliner.
I don't know if they're taking people with multiple busts, but the caliber of pilot is p*ss poor.
2nd career types. 1500 hours over the course of 20years types.
There are people online that slipped thru training, that, quite frankly from the stories I'm hearing have no place in an airliner.
Most of the newer guys I've met in PHX seem like a good group, but I can't speak for the other domiciles.
And our FAs...wow, just wow.
12-16-2014, 04:15 PM
#4647
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Joined APC: Feb 2014
Posts: 101
Sounds like good night sweet prince.
Not joking or flaming at all. if you're thinking about going to Mesa there's a 50% chance you'll leave with a part 121 training failure on your record. This is not normal. Initial training where I work sees a 95+% pass rate.
I'm sure the FAA is cracking down because they were just letting everyone bust their way through AQP.
Think about this.
Not joking or flaming at all. if you're thinking about going to Mesa there's a 50% chance you'll leave with a part 121 training failure on your record. This is not normal. Initial training where I work sees a 95+% pass rate.
I'm sure the FAA is cracking down because they were just letting everyone bust their way through AQP.
Think about this.
12-16-2014, 04:15 PM
#4648
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Joined APC: Nov 2013
Posts: 555
Everyone says this, at every regional, regardless of the screening process. I can't speak for current classes, but my class and those before and after mine did fine. A couple people struggled and resigned, others had to leave for other reasons (this is not "washing out").
12-16-2014, 04:16 PM
#4649
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Joined APC: Mar 2013
Position: 175 Left
Posts: 1,539
The example I was given was:
In the past if you let's say you busted PTS standards on Steep turns, you were able to re-do the procedure.
Then you busted PTS standards on say a single engine ILS, you were given a retry.
They can't do this anymore. It's still going to be heavily based on the DPE's discretion.
Let's say you do bust a maneuver or two barely, but in general everything else is good, your probably going to be OK.
Don't get too excited folks.
Any of you non 121 guys, it's going to be the same as any check ride you did before. You bust, you retrain then you come back for another try.
This is how it was at Republic. If you train proficiently you have nothing to worry about.
The alternative is a pink slip then a retry.
In the past if you let's say you busted PTS standards on Steep turns, you were able to re-do the procedure.
Then you busted PTS standards on say a single engine ILS, you were given a retry.
They can't do this anymore. It's still going to be heavily based on the DPE's discretion.
Let's say you do bust a maneuver or two barely, but in general everything else is good, your probably going to be OK.
Don't get too excited folks.
Any of you non 121 guys, it's going to be the same as any check ride you did before. You bust, you retrain then you come back for another try.
This is how it was at Republic. If you train proficiently you have nothing to worry about.
The alternative is a pink slip then a retry.
12-16-2014, 05:15 PM
#4650
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Joined APC: Apr 2013
Posts: 223
Not with the kinda new hires we are seeing.
I don't know if they're taking people with multiple busts, but the caliber of pilot is p*ss poor.
2nd career types. 1500 hours over the course of 20years types.
There are people online that slipped thru training, that, quite frankly from the stories I'm hearing have no place in an airliner.
I don't know if they're taking people with multiple busts, but the caliber of pilot is p*ss poor.
2nd career types. 1500 hours over the course of 20years types.
There are people online that slipped thru training, that, quite frankly from the stories I'm hearing have no place in an airliner.
I've met some of those guys. I've also met some of these young guys with restricted ATP's with no real flying experience.
I'll take the more experienced pilot than a snot nose kid who doesn't know jack.
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