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10-29-2013, 04:39 AM
#441
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Don't know about you but my dream wasn't to fly at a regional for 10 years.
80kts in every thread you pop in spouting your success story. I don't know how useful it is for the guy who won the lottery to tell everyone else to buy lottery tickets. Just because you hit the jackpot doesn't mean the majority of us will. I'm happy for your success, I really am. I just wish I didn't have to hear about it every day.
I do agree though, Eagle is not a great place to work. When I was applying to regionals only 2 had a LAX base and I applied to both. I was hired at Eagle first and Skywest called during ground school. I made a decision to stay at Eagle, was it a bad decision? In retrospect absolutely. If only we could change the past, of course then I wouldn't be a pilot at all.
80kts in every thread you pop in spouting your success story. I don't know how useful it is for the guy who won the lottery to tell everyone else to buy lottery tickets. Just because you hit the jackpot doesn't mean the majority of us will. I'm happy for your success, I really am. I just wish I didn't have to hear about it every day.
I do agree though, Eagle is not a great place to work. When I was applying to regionals only 2 had a LAX base and I applied to both. I was hired at Eagle first and Skywest called during ground school. I made a decision to stay at Eagle, was it a bad decision? In retrospect absolutely. If only we could change the past, of course then I wouldn't be a pilot at all.
10-29-2013, 04:53 AM
#442
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I hope you realize that involves zero skill and all 100% timing and luck. You were fortunate to start at a regional right when regionals were expanding like gangbusters while legacies were furloughing or already had thousands furloughed post 9/11. Anyone hired at the average regional in 2002-2004 was either a direct entry Captain or was FO for 6 months to 2 years tops. From the timeline you wrote, it seems you spent 3yrs 4 mos and got outta there with plenty of TPIC for Delta. I spent 4.5 yrs and not a single drop of TPIC and yet it was the exact same employer as yours. That's the difference starting 4 years later makes.
You are correct the cycle shifts. If I had to give advice on a regional today there is only one: Compass.
You are correct the cycle shifts. If I had to give advice on a regional today there is only one: Compass.
Going to Compass, Mesa will stack the odds in your favor much better than going Eagle, XJT or Skywest. Small, growing regionals are the way to go.
Bzzt for some odd reason wants new hires to choose companies like Eagle and subject themselves to 5 years of quality 40k FO pay "for the good of the industry" rather than go to Mesa and earn 65k+ by your 3rd year while build quality TPIC.
The crazy stuff people come up with while waiting in the endless line for upgrade
10-29-2013, 05:28 AM
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Our generation had the extenuating circumstances of the economy collapsing and age 65. A regional pilot hired today will be hired into a similar environment as 80kts. Like an investor that researches stocks before buying, a prospective regional pilot can set himself up for rapid advancement just by researching the industry. Nothing in life is guaranteed, but those that are successful are the ones who stacked the odds in their favor.
Going to Compass, Mesa will stack the odds in your favor much better than going Eagle, XJT or Skywest. Small, growing regionals are the way to go.
Bzzt for some odd reason wants new hires to choose companies like Eagle and subject themselves to 5 years of quality 40k FO pay "for the good of the industry" rather than go to Mesa and earn 65k+ by your 3rd year while build quality TPIC.
The crazy stuff people come up with while waiting in the endless line for upgrade
Going to Compass, Mesa will stack the odds in your favor much better than going Eagle, XJT or Skywest. Small, growing regionals are the way to go.
Bzzt for some odd reason wants new hires to choose companies like Eagle and subject themselves to 5 years of quality 40k FO pay "for the good of the industry" rather than go to Mesa and earn 65k+ by your 3rd year while build quality TPIC.
The crazy stuff people come up with while waiting in the endless line for upgrade
10-29-2013, 05:31 AM
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Should I stay or should I go.......
I met a Mesa crew in the hotel van after my C5 interview back in July. He dropped some rumors about the upcoming 175s, and in hindsight I wish I had believed him.
I got an email from Mesa HR for the "Interview," then deleted it. Wish I still had it.
Is the current hiring just for 117 or are the first 9 new 900s already on property?
I met a Mesa crew in the hotel van after my C5 interview back in July. He dropped some rumors about the upcoming 175s, and in hindsight I wish I had believed him.
I got an email from Mesa HR for the "Interview," then deleted it. Wish I still had it.
Is the current hiring just for 117 or are the first 9 new 900s already on property?
10-29-2013, 06:01 AM
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I'm not saying that people should do it for the good of the industry, I'm saying you should do it because building PIC in this day and age is pointless. There are no stepping stones and you will be at a regional for an extended period of time whether you have 1000 PIC or 4000 SIC, etc. Counseling people to only look at upgrade times so they can "get to a major quicker" is misleading and very poor advice.
Getting to a major quicker is not the only benefit of quick upgrade. The 65k+ pay is a huge benefit. The fact that you get to fly with your favorite Captain every trip is a huge benefit. I don't know about you, but I'd much rather be 2nd or 3rd year Captain at Compass or Mesa than 4 or 5 year FO at XJT, SKYW, or Eagle.
10-29-2013, 06:06 AM
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You're still looking at the past 5 years as the norm. Those hired today will not face the same stagnation we did.
Getting to a major quicker is not the only benefit of quick upgrade. The 65k+ pay is a huge benefit. The fact that you get to fly with your favorite Captain every trip is a huge benefit. I don't know about you, but I'd much rather be 2nd or 3rd year Captain at Compass or Mesa than 4 or 5 year FO at XJT, SKYW, or Eagle.
Getting to a major quicker is not the only benefit of quick upgrade. The 65k+ pay is a huge benefit. The fact that you get to fly with your favorite Captain every trip is a huge benefit. I don't know about you, but I'd much rather be 2nd or 3rd year Captain at Compass or Mesa than 4 or 5 year FO at XJT, SKYW, or Eagle.
I'll believe those people won't face the stagnation when it stops being stagnant. So far nothing has changed.
10-29-2013, 04:40 PM
#447
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I got hired in October 2003. Upgrade in Feb 2005. Outta there in 2007. And I was not the quickest upgrade nor the quickest to a legacy! Not by a long shot, actually... Many of my peers followed a similar path!
The cycle shifts from carrier to carrier over time. given a certain window, I'd give advice to go to a certain carrier and it has been reasonably accurate. I don't think i'd ever advise someone to go to Mesa, but that time may be coming. Eagle? That has never been a carrier I would advise.
The cycle shifts from carrier to carrier over time. given a certain window, I'd give advice to go to a certain carrier and it has been reasonably accurate. I don't think i'd ever advise someone to go to Mesa, but that time may be coming. Eagle? That has never been a carrier I would advise.
My advice, as someone who's made the move: get hired, take the first available upgrade, and get out as soon as you can. If that opportunity is likely to happen fastest at Mesa or Compass right now, then that's where I'd want to get hired today.
Good luck.
10-29-2013, 05:21 PM
#448
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So what's the word on when they're going to start interviewing again? Do they take resumes directly or is airlineapps the only way to apply?
10-29-2013, 07:11 PM
#449
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I got a random call and I wasn't even looking at going back to the airlines.
10-30-2013, 04:17 AM
#450
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I'd just like to know when the classes start up again!
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