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10-30-2014, 10:54 AM
#3771
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Posts: 236
I bet envoy wished their contract has what Mesa's contract has on the first page. Prohibiting exactly what envoys management has done to them. However, arguing about who's regional is better is a game fought by those with a loser mentality. Right now you will not have a fast upgrade at Mesa. Go to PSA, your better off there. Just don't kick me out of the jump seat.
10-30-2014, 11:02 AM
#3772
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Position: South Paw
Posts: 630
I have over 6000 hrs SIC time and 9 years with three different regionals and still do not have one hour of turbine PIC. I've been through furloughs, concessions, and downgraded during upgrade training. None of us are entitled to career progression even though we work hard and get people safely from A to B. All I am saying is don't throw rocks in glass houses if you go to to lowest paying regional and don't get the aircraft and upgrade times you think you are entitled to. Most of what I am saying is in response to the Mesa crowd hoping for more aircraft while insulting other carriers' CBAs.
10-30-2014, 11:17 AM
#3773
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Joined APC: Aug 2005
Posts: 455
You are describing the topic in a micro point of view. I have been on negotiating committees where my only job was to compare average captain and FO total compensation per airplane at each regional. Average RAH total compensation (including medical, 401k, sick time, etc), even with cancellation pay, was greater than Mesa. Just because you personally make more for whatever reason (living in base, getting off reserve faster) does not make the contract more expensive per pilot. Mesa is the lowest out of everybody, Gojet was second and RAH third. This was done just a few years ago and no contracts have changed since then with any of the bottom three. The E175s nor any CR7s are coming to Mesa for AAG (they want as much flying done in house as possible) but keep waiting for that big announcement soon.
10-30-2014, 11:40 AM
#3774
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Posts: 236
Don't forget, Mesa was in bankruptcy recently. Now they are an all 70-76 airline with a lot of the "fat" trimmed off, contract included. Mesa is in a much better negotiating position today than XJT/ASA. It still isn't a great negotiating position, but they have already been through the downsizing that other carriers are now facing. Downsizing equals low employee moral which then equals a poor product. I know that is a consideration for aircraft placement at UAL, and I'm sure the same philosophy applies to AAG.
10-30-2014, 11:50 AM
#3775
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Position: South Paw
Posts: 630
If they are so cheap then why are they getting parked? If you re-sign the lease maybe. But maintence costs are high.
10-30-2014, 02:30 PM
#3777
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Joined APC: Sep 2009
Position: Bob's Big Boy Front Office Staffer
Posts: 263
I have over 6000 hrs SIC time and 9 years with three different regionals and still do not have one hour of turbine PIC. I've been through furloughs, concessions, and downgraded during upgrade training. None of us are entitled to career progression even though we work hard and get people safely from A to B. All I am saying is don't throw rocks in glass houses if you go to to lowest paying regional and don't get the aircraft and upgrade times you think you are entitled to. Most of what I am saying is in response to the Mesa crowd hoping for more aircraft while insulting other carriers' CBAs.
Stagnation sucks, but sounds like you just need to stop making crap decisions.
10-30-2014, 02:36 PM
#3778
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Joined APC: Apr 2013
Posts: 223
I have over 6000 hrs SIC time and 9 years with three different regionals and still do not have one hour of turbine PIC. I've been through furloughs, concessions, and downgraded during upgrade training. None of us are entitled to career progression even though we work hard and get people safely from A to B. All I am saying is don't throw rocks in glass houses if you go to to lowest paying regional and don't get the aircraft and upgrade times you think you are entitled to. Most of what I am saying is in response to the Mesa crowd hoping for more aircraft while insulting other carriers' CBAs.
10-30-2014, 06:07 PM
#3779
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Posts: 236
His viewpoints are perfectly valid and true for him. No need to tell him that he sucks. What he says is factual. I love my job at Mesa and agree with what he says. Things could be better and they certainly could be much worse!
10-30-2014, 06:07 PM
#3780
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Joined APC: Mar 2013
Position: 175 Left
Posts: 1,539
I have over 6000 hrs SIC time and 9 years with three different regionals and still do not have one hour of turbine PIC. I've been through furloughs, concessions, and downgraded during upgrade training. None of us are entitled to career progression even though we work hard and get people safely from A to B. All I am saying is don't throw rocks in glass houses if you go to to lowest paying regional and don't get the aircraft and upgrade times you think you are entitled to. Most of what I am saying is in response to the Mesa crowd hoping for more aircraft while insulting other carriers' CBAs.
Yeah, I was going to come one here and write a response but Ferris beat me to what I was going to say, word for word.
9 years? 6000 Turbine SIC? 3 Regionals?
Good lord man, start going to some of those JetBlue or Spirit open houses, like yesterday.
It all makes sense now... you're just another burnt out, jaded regional FO, who's either made a lot of bad decisions or had a lot of bad luck.
And I will make more money here, onto Captain pay at 17 months, at no other regional would I have upgraded this fast therefore accruing Captain pay this quickly.
Yes, pay for pay, contract vs contract, someone who spends exactly 4 years as an FO at MAG vs someone who spends exactly 4 years as an FO at someone like XJT, the XJT person is going to make more money. But it's never that black and white.
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