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Old 10-27-2014, 05:35 AM
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I don't think anyone at mesa salivates for those crap CRJ's like you all do. You can have it all, I don't know a single mesa "pilot" that wants any part of it.




LOL ***? No offense to Mesa pilots, but Mesa is on a WAY lower scale than PSA. PSA pilots may have an ugly cap on their pay scale, which I am not defending, but Mesa's pay scale is WAY worse than PSA.

I shake my head everytime I hear people at Mesa accuse PSA pilots of being "scabs." If you took a job with a low pay scale for a quick upgrade, you have done the same exact thing. Go ahead and point the finger, because not only are you in the same boat as "those PSA scabs," but you're no better than the passengers who fly and pretend to fall and be injured on the jet bridge and sue for millions of dollars. It's only okay when you do it....

We didn't take concessions to secure OTHER people's flying. End of story.

I love how everyone says we have the WORST contract in the industry when in reality our contract is better than Republic, lakes and GoJets. All while our MEC is constantly making headway with management for a new and better contract for MAG pilots.

I don't see anyone in the RAH forums giving those guys crap for going to RAH with such a horrible contract including no cancellation pay.
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Originally Posted by prior121
We didn't take concessions to secure OTHER people's flying. End of story.

I love how everyone says we have the WORST contract in the industry when in reality our contract is better than Republic, lakes and GoJets. All while our MEC is constantly making headway with management for a new and better contract for MAG pilots.

I don't see anyone in the RAH forums giving those guys crap for going to RAH with such a horrible contract including no cancellation pay.
You don't have to take concessions, you are the lowest along with RAH and GoJets. You guys are drooling over more airplanes to keep those quick upgrades going. More airplanes that come to you don't go to higher paying pilots. It is funny to see some of them try to put down PSA and PDT now even though your contract is still significantly worse.
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Originally Posted by prior121
We didn't take concessions to secure OTHER people's flying. End of story.

I love how everyone says we have the WORST contract in the industry when in reality our contract is better than Republic, lakes and GoJets. All while our MEC is constantly making headway with management for a new and better contract for MAG pilots.

I don't see anyone in the RAH forums giving those guys crap for going to RAH with such a horrible contract including no cancellation pay.
Your union released a comparison of total compensation packages amongst regional airlines where they consistently showed Mesa to be the lowest paid. Hard to argue that.
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We didn't take concessions to secure OTHER people's flying. End of story.

I love how everyone says we have the WORST contract in the industry when in reality our contract is better than Republic, lakes and GoJets. All while our MEC is constantly making headway with management for a new and better contract for MAG pilots.

I don't see anyone in the RAH forums giving those guys crap for going to RAH with such a horrible contract including no cancellation pay.




You don't have to take concessions, you are the lowest along with RAH and GoJets. You guys are drooling over more airplanes to keep those quick upgrades going. More airplanes that come to you don't go to higher paying pilots. It is funny to see some of them try to put down PSA and PDT now even though your contract is still significantly worse.
What don't you understand about this.

PSA pilots took concessions to TAKE planes from another carrier.

It's plain as day, black and white.
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Old 10-27-2014, 06:24 AM
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Your union released a comparison of total compensation packages amongst regional airlines where they consistently showed Mesa to be the lowest paid. Hard to argue that.
Unfortunately there was quite a bit of wrong information in that comparison.

Propaganda by the union.
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Old 10-27-2014, 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by prior121
What don't you understand about this.

PSA pilots took concessions to TAKE planes from another carrier.

It's plain as day, black and white.
PSA voted on the 12/4 LOA to prevent the new 900s from going to Mesa or RAH just like the last two rounds of new aircraft orders. I hope the 700s stay at Envoy but if they go somewhere I'd rather they go anywhere but Mesa, stop drooling over the 700s that aren't coming. Must be nice to live in a "black/white" reality in your head when almost nothing in this world is that simple. Haven't you worked at RAH and Mesa? Quite the resume.
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You know what's sad is when the PSA guys spend all day defending their decisions in the Mesa, Gojet, RAH, Endeavor , Envoy, etc. forums. They feel better about themselves and their decisions. Going to the forums where all the "terrible" decision makers are and the ones that they assume have no future. They come in to these forums with grand assumptions that every pilot is beneath them, is brand new, chasing an upgrade, and could only dream of being one of them.

In pay comparisons every single one of you suck. In benefit comparisons you all squabble for scraps. What's pathetic is to think you come on to APC and gloat about your SAP swaps and your Christmas bonus style paychecks.

When you look at it plan as day, in a time when pilot groups were standing together. In a time when groups were saying enough is enough. You clearly swept the carpet right out from another and you did it in a vote!!! You voted for it!! Now you're taking their metal and parading around on a Mesa forum hoping to drum up some pilot's and supporters that you think are beneath you?

RAH and MESA on resume?
hardworking
underpaid,
humbled,
experienced,
advanced jet aircraft, ie. Ejet
challenged,
national, intn'l
etc.

(Attach stereotype here)

PSA resume ?
hardworking,
underpaid,
jet,
challenged,
regional,

(Attach stereotype here)

Once you attach a stereotype who do you think you'd hire?

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Originally Posted by prior121
Unfortunately there was quite a bit of wrong information in that comparison.

Propaganda by the union.
But dude, they had charts and graphs man. Charts and graphs...

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Originally Posted by FerrisBluer
You know what's sad is when the PSA guys spend all day defending their decisions in the Mesa, Gojet, RAH, Endeavor , Envoy, etc. forums. They feel better about themselves and their decisions. Going to the forums where all the "terrible" decision makers are and the ones that they assume have no future. They come in to these forums with grand assumptions that every pilot is beneath them, is brand new, chasing an upgrade, and could only dream of being one of them.

In pay comparisons every single one of you suck. In benefit comparisons you all squabble for scraps. What's pathetic is to think you come on to APC and gloat about your SAP swaps and your Christmas bonus style paychecks.

When you look at it plan as day, in a time when pilot groups were standing together. In a time when groups were saying enough is enough. You clearly swept the carpet right out from another and you did it in a vote!!! You voted for it!! Now you're taking their metal and parading around on a Mesa forum hoping to drum up some pilot's and supporters that you think are beneath you?
PSA pilots don't just randomly "pop in" to other airline threads and talk about PSA.

If PSA is mentioned in another airline's thread and a PSA pilot feels that he has worthy input why wouldn't he respond?

This whole childish back and forth was started by YOU with this post:

Originally Posted by FerrisBluer
I don't think anyone at mesa salivates for those crap CRJ's like you all do. You can have it all, I don't know a single mesa "pilot" that wants any part of it.
I responded to an untrue rumor with THE TRUTH to set the record straight. For some reason you decided to respond with vitriol, and a put down of PSA "pilots."

Keep using PSA as the scapegoat for why the regionals suck, I guess it's about time those poor guys at GoJet get a break.
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Originally Posted by FerrisBluer

RAH and MESA on resume?
hardworking
underpaid,
humbled,
experienced,
advanced jet aircraft,
challenged,
national, intn'l
etc.

(Attach stereotype here)

PSA resume ?
hardworking,
underpaid,
jet,
challenged,
regional,

(Attach stereotype here)

Once you attach a stereotype who do you think you'd hire?
Is it ironic that you are stereotyping while making a post about stereotyping?

Also is this post now assuming that Mesa and RAH pilots are "better" pilots than PSA pilots? And in turn, are more deserving of a job? That is what you are inferring right? Immediately after you accused a pilot at PSA of thinking he is better than everyone else, you did the exact same thing.

You're a clown.

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