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09-27-2013, 02:10 PM
#342
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Joined APC: Jan 2009
Posts: 1,459
UofIflyer, WRT your specific question...
Want to imagine your life commuting on RSV?
Grab a calendar, pick a 31 day month. Pick 11 days off, make sure they are in groupings of 2 or more. Each grouping of these "OFF" days must have 3 to 6 days "ON" between them. However you arrange it, it must fit these rules.
Now, imagine taking a flight into CLT or IAD on your last day off before you begin your reserve stretch, because starting at 0400 or 0700 whatever it is will not allow you to fly in "day of" Oh and maybe you better leave that afternoon as to not wait until the very last flight, cause what if you don't get on or it cancels?
Now imagine flying until 22:45 on your last day of reserve. Not saying that will always happen, but it will happen at least a fair amount.
Therefore imagine finding a hotel on your dime, or heading to the crash pad awaiting the next morning (your first day off) to get home.
Mark it out on the calendar and see how much you will be home.
Now imagine you live in base on reserve (not saying this is an option for you, and I understand not everyone can live in base, but it makes a world of difference)
Calendar looks the same, but now you are home as soon as you can run the shutdown checklist. And you're in your own bed the night before your first reserve shift. Hey maybe you don't get tasked until 2 pm the first day - that's free time at home. Maybe it's just an out & back, and then you have the rest of the afternoon at home. Maybe it's three 2 day trips back to back with 15 hours between each one, which is like free time at home. Maybe you have a 5 hours of normal reserve between flights that you could go home for. Maybe you do four one-day trips that all end at 4 pm - you get the drift.
My point is that commuting to reserve will be miserable, but reserve at Mesa "in base" is not that bad at all.
That said, if you don't have kids, or aren't married, and home is where you hang your hat kind of thing, then you may not mind it at all.
To each his own.
Not trying to be patronizing or anything with this post. Sometimes really spelling it out in really simple terms can cast a light otherwise overlooked.
Grab a calendar, pick a 31 day month. Pick 11 days off, make sure they are in groupings of 2 or more. Each grouping of these "OFF" days must have 3 to 6 days "ON" between them. However you arrange it, it must fit these rules.
Now, imagine taking a flight into CLT or IAD on your last day off before you begin your reserve stretch, because starting at 0400 or 0700 whatever it is will not allow you to fly in "day of" Oh and maybe you better leave that afternoon as to not wait until the very last flight, cause what if you don't get on or it cancels?
Now imagine flying until 22:45 on your last day of reserve. Not saying that will always happen, but it will happen at least a fair amount.
Therefore imagine finding a hotel on your dime, or heading to the crash pad awaiting the next morning (your first day off) to get home.
Mark it out on the calendar and see how much you will be home.
Now imagine you live in base on reserve (not saying this is an option for you, and I understand not everyone can live in base, but it makes a world of difference)
Calendar looks the same, but now you are home as soon as you can run the shutdown checklist. And you're in your own bed the night before your first reserve shift. Hey maybe you don't get tasked until 2 pm the first day - that's free time at home. Maybe it's just an out & back, and then you have the rest of the afternoon at home. Maybe it's three 2 day trips back to back with 15 hours between each one, which is like free time at home. Maybe you have a 5 hours of normal reserve between flights that you could go home for. Maybe you do four one-day trips that all end at 4 pm - you get the drift.
My point is that commuting to reserve will be miserable, but reserve at Mesa "in base" is not that bad at all.
That said, if you don't have kids, or aren't married, and home is where you hang your hat kind of thing, then you may not mind it at all.
To each his own.
Not trying to be patronizing or anything with this post. Sometimes really spelling it out in really simple terms can cast a light otherwise overlooked.
09-27-2013, 03:54 PM
#343
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Joined APC: Mar 2013
Position: 175 Left
Posts: 1,539
Spot on. And remember, non rev 'privalages' are pretty much crap these days. You're more likely to compete for that oh so comfortable jumpseat with a mainline guy. Commuting is NOT recommended. Just because it's possible, doesn't mean its feasible or smart (especially if you have a family). If you still have time, get your masters and a career that appreciates you.
On the opposite, commuting to sit in a hotel at $60/night, or crashpad for $300/month while staring at the wall all day watching your phone, with no where to go, hoping they call is well, like, what I think prison would be like. Thats not even taking into account the whole headache of commuting on the front end and back end of your RSV days like pullout talked about.
09-27-2013, 04:31 PM
#344
Beats a cubicle
Joined APC: Aug 2013
Posts: 25
Thanks guys, I figured it would be far less than ideal. I appreciate the input
10-14-2013, 01:52 PM
#345
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Joined APC: Mar 2013
Position: 175 Left
Posts: 1,539
So what's happenin'? Oct 23 class pushed back with no released actual start date. They're saying we're overstaffed... Rumors running rampant....
10-14-2013, 05:54 PM
#346
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Joined APC: Dec 2010
Position: CRJ
Posts: 273
Some sept newhires won't see sim until December. It sounds like a combination of things but that I'm sure is a big factor. Yes over staffed with reduction of block hours in the fall but 117 will require I'm hearing approx 12.5% increase in staffing by Jan.
10-14-2013, 06:36 PM
#347
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Joined APC: Mar 2012
Position: B737
Posts: 347
What bases are they looking at flying the 175's
10-14-2013, 07:31 PM
#349
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Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: Assistant Greens Keeper
Posts: 1,011
Anyone recently hired at Mesa needs their head examined... Even our CEO at Endeavor said that anyone applying here would need to get extra medical screening to check their sanity...
Apparently any airline with E170s no matter what the pay or work rules are anyone will apply to, even if you need to sell your soul.
Apparently any airline with E170s no matter what the pay or work rules are anyone will apply to, even if you need to sell your soul.
10-14-2013, 08:38 PM
#350
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Joined APC: Sep 2009
Position: Bob's Big Boy Front Office Staffer
Posts: 263
Anyone recently hired at Mesa needs their head examined... Even our CEO at Endeavor said that anyone applying here would need to get extra medical screening to check their sanity...
Apparently any airline with E170s no matter what the pay or work rules are anyone will apply to, even if you need to sell your soul.
Apparently any airline with E170s no matter what the pay or work rules are anyone will apply to, even if you need to sell your soul.
Dude you have R. G*mm as your C.E.O. Are you really trying to harp on Mesa with guy who lost Flying for MAG,Then went over to sink Comair, Following Trenary sneaks in to PinnaColaba now endeavor and destroys that too! He's a fungus dude...Born out of Freedom Airlines. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think he's good for you at all. He left MAG as a Management F.O. Re-hired then furloughed. How's that for pathetic?
Classic example of who get's ahead in this business? He's your C.E.O. What the Heck? He should probably have his head examined right quick as well.
Last edited by FerrisBluer; 10-14-2013 at 09:05 PM.
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