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08-20-2014, 05:18 PM
#2541
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2008
Position: CL-65 CA
Posts: 246
Here's a dose of reality...Regional pay will NEVER EVER be at a rate good enough to make this vitriol, anger and frustration felt by the Regional pilot subside....NEVER! No amount of contract killing votes or the boycotting of applying at "bottomfeeders" will change anything!
The Regionals exist because of low labor costs...Period! For that, you can blame the Legacies who are addicted to this system like a crack wh0re with no teeth!
For the aviator looking to fulfill his dream of commercial airline flying it's the only game in town...unless you're one of the fortunate ones flying Uncle Sam's vast array of bad a$$ toys.
So...guys choose to go to the regional airline that gets them the one thing that they need to GTFO ASAP...TPIC. Right now that happens to be at JO's crib. He's throwing out quick upgrade party favors like a naked, lipstick covered frat guy high on Jaegermeister and X!
If someone's ultimate goal is to make it to a Major, then I wouldn't blame them for tolerating lower than average pay to get there quicker.
The Regionals exist because of low labor costs...Period! For that, you can blame the Legacies who are addicted to this system like a crack wh0re with no teeth!
For the aviator looking to fulfill his dream of commercial airline flying it's the only game in town...unless you're one of the fortunate ones flying Uncle Sam's vast array of bad a$$ toys.
So...guys choose to go to the regional airline that gets them the one thing that they need to GTFO ASAP...TPIC. Right now that happens to be at JO's crib. He's throwing out quick upgrade party favors like a naked, lipstick covered frat guy high on Jaegermeister and X!
If someone's ultimate goal is to make it to a Major, then I wouldn't blame them for tolerating lower than average pay to get there quicker.
08-20-2014, 06:09 PM
#2542
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2013
Posts: 1,602
I found this FAA interpretation letter from March of this year that clarifies most of the gray areas of 121.436. I'm assuming this is what NovemberBravo and his all star class found in their Google search, however I won't be an arrogant douche and I'll post it here for ya:
http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/...rpretation.pdf
Long story short--cargo-only time doesn't count if the seats are removed, regardless of the original type certificated seating configuration of the aircraft.
On a side note, this isn't even something that affects me personally, but I strongly believe that all pilots should always help each other out on stuff like this and discuss the regs. Maybe I'm old fashioned, or maybe I've just done too many meetings as a union rep where conflicting interpretations happen all the time, but NovemberBravo I think it's really, really bad karma to be a douche about your internet searching skills instead of sharing whatever info you have about something.
http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/...rpretation.pdf
Long story short--cargo-only time doesn't count if the seats are removed, regardless of the original type certificated seating configuration of the aircraft.
On a side note, this isn't even something that affects me personally, but I strongly believe that all pilots should always help each other out on stuff like this and discuss the regs. Maybe I'm old fashioned, or maybe I've just done too many meetings as a union rep where conflicting interpretations happen all the time, but NovemberBravo I think it's really, really bad karma to be a douche about your internet searching skills instead of sharing whatever info you have about something.
08-20-2014, 06:25 PM
#2543
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2013
Posts: 223
Here's a dose of reality...Regional pay will NEVER EVER be at a rate good enough to make this vitriol, anger and frustration felt by the Regional pilot subside....NEVER! No amount of contract killing votes or the boycotting of applying at "bottomfeeders" will change anything!
The Regionals exist because of low labor costs...Period! For that, you can blame the Legacies who are addicted to this system like a crack wh0re with no teeth!
For the aviator looking to fulfill his dream of commercial airline flying it's the only game in town...unless you're one of the fortunate ones flying Uncle Sam's vast array of bad a$$ toys.
So...guys choose to go to the regional airline that gets them the one thing that they need to GTFO ASAP...TPIC. Right now that happens to be at JO's crib. He's throwing out quick upgrade party favors like a naked, lipstick covered frat guy high on Jaegermeister and X!
If someone's ultimate goal is to make it to a Major, then I wouldn't blame them for tolerating lower than average pay to get there quicker.
The Regionals exist because of low labor costs...Period! For that, you can blame the Legacies who are addicted to this system like a crack wh0re with no teeth!
For the aviator looking to fulfill his dream of commercial airline flying it's the only game in town...unless you're one of the fortunate ones flying Uncle Sam's vast array of bad a$$ toys.
So...guys choose to go to the regional airline that gets them the one thing that they need to GTFO ASAP...TPIC. Right now that happens to be at JO's crib. He's throwing out quick upgrade party favors like a naked, lipstick covered frat guy high on Jaegermeister and X!
If someone's ultimate goal is to make it to a Major, then I wouldn't blame them for tolerating lower than average pay to get there quicker.
jvv700 needs to wake up and see the reality. He and his kind started the race to the bottom. Just because he isn't there anymore he can spew his misguided logic and opinion on all of us. His "don't come here" attitude is a bad representation of the Mesa guys I know.
08-20-2014, 06:36 PM
#2544
sippin' dat koolaid
Joined APC: Jun 2013
Position: gear slinger
Posts: 982
It's like going to prom with the ugly fat chick, and no amount of koolaid is going to make her pretty. So it's best to get it over with as quickly as possible and hope you have better luck tomorrow with something better.
08-20-2014, 06:45 PM
#2545
sippin' dat koolaid
Joined APC: Jun 2013
Position: gear slinger
Posts: 982
Here's a dose of reality...Regional pay will NEVER EVER be at a rate good enough to make this vitriol, anger and frustration felt by the Regional pilot subside....NEVER! No amount of contract killing votes or the boycotting of applying at "bottomfeeders" will change anything!
The Regionals exist because of low labor costs...Period! For that, you can blame the Legacies who are addicted to this system like a crack wh0re with no teeth!
For the aviator looking to fulfill his dream of commercial airline flying it's the only game in town...unless you're one of the fortunate ones flying Uncle Sam's vast array of bad a$$ toys.
So...guys choose to go to the regional airline that gets them the one thing that they need to GTFO ASAP...TPIC. Right now that happens to be at JO's crib. He's throwing out quick upgrade party favors like a naked, lipstick covered frat guy high on Jaegermeister and X!
If someone's ultimate goal is to make it to a Major, then I wouldn't blame them for tolerating lower than average pay to get there quicker.
The Regionals exist because of low labor costs...Period! For that, you can blame the Legacies who are addicted to this system like a crack wh0re with no teeth!
For the aviator looking to fulfill his dream of commercial airline flying it's the only game in town...unless you're one of the fortunate ones flying Uncle Sam's vast array of bad a$$ toys.
So...guys choose to go to the regional airline that gets them the one thing that they need to GTFO ASAP...TPIC. Right now that happens to be at JO's crib. He's throwing out quick upgrade party favors like a naked, lipstick covered frat guy high on Jaegermeister and X!
If someone's ultimate goal is to make it to a Major, then I wouldn't blame them for tolerating lower than average pay to get there quicker.
I was talking with a United 777 CA last month and he brought up the topic of United hiring regional pilots. He had recently talked with his chief pilot and TPIC is one thing they still lean heavily on. They don't give a rats @ss regarding where you got your 121 TPIC or how special you think you are because you work at XYZ regional.
08-20-2014, 07:11 PM
#2547
Banned
Joined APC: Mar 2011
Posts: 726
And with that I rest my case! You'll never get it. Good luck to ya the rest of us will be here trying to hold the line while avoiding the friendly fire! I've just witnessed the epitome of instant gratification!
BTW you wouldn't be in the unemployment line as envoy,compass,expressjet,Skywest have all been hiring.....
BTW you wouldn't be in the unemployment line as envoy,compass,expressjet,Skywest have all been hiring.....
The reality is while we are all in this industry together, at the end of the day, we are competing against one another for jobs. It's simple supply and demand, there are too many of us willing to do this at these wages because of the hope of moving on someday to something better.
Not to mention, I think one of the big issues is this damn railroad act has our unions crippled. No way should a regional be in contract negotiations for 4 years, and certainly not 8.
08-20-2014, 07:49 PM
#2548
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2014
Posts: 584
EXACTLY!!!
jvv700 needs to wake up and see the reality. He and his kind started the race to the bottom. Just because he isn't there anymore he can spew his misguided logic and opinion on all of us. His "don't come here" attitude is a bad representation of the Mesa guys I know.
jvv700 needs to wake up and see the reality. He and his kind started the race to the bottom. Just because he isn't there anymore he can spew his misguided logic and opinion on all of us. His "don't come here" attitude is a bad representation of the Mesa guys I know.
Any way good luck to you all I'm done posting on this thread so y'all don't have to deal with me anymore.
08-20-2014, 07:53 PM
#2549
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2013
Posts: 774
Huh? I don't think you know me or where I'm currently at! When you say I'm not here anymore what exactly do you mean? I've only ever been at one place! Again there's no use talking to you guys, and my logic is shared by literally thousands of pilots!!! Just nobody at Mesa....
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