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Old 08-16-2014, 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Bumbaclot
Lol that's kinda what I was thinking???

Here's a temporary breakdown of where we'll eventually be:

IAD – 20 CRJ700s
IAH – 30 E175s
DFW – 29 CRJ900s
PHX – 17 CRJ900s
LAX – 9 CRJ900s

CLT drawdown starts towards the end of the year when
that flying begins to move to DFW.
These are projected numbers because there are only 5 E175's in IAH currently and zero at DFW and so on.
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Old 08-16-2014, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Darant
What a helpful forum. Maybe I could get a class too that would help me find the answer.

Actually, the reg is quite ambiguous. In fact without a legal FAA interpretation I would imagine your answer is not exactly correct.
I found this FAA interpretation letter from March of this year that clarifies most of the gray areas of 121.436. I'm assuming this is what NovemberBravo and his all star class found in their Google search, however I won't be an arrogant douche and I'll post it here for ya:

http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/...rpretation.pdf

Long story short--cargo-only time doesn't count if the seats are removed, regardless of the original type certificated seating configuration of the aircraft.

On a side note, this isn't even something that affects me personally, but I strongly believe that all pilots should always help each other out on stuff like this and discuss the regs. Maybe I'm old fashioned, or maybe I've just done too many meetings as a union rep where conflicting interpretations happen all the time, but NovemberBravo I think it's really, really bad karma to be a douche about your internet searching skills instead of sharing whatever info you have about something.

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Old 08-16-2014, 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by deltajuliet
Ah, I figured that was a hypothetical second Ejet contract.



But those LAX CRJ's are all Phoenix-based for now, right? I thought PHX was bigger than that, but the numbers make sense.
Good question--I'm assuming PHX is bigger than that projected number at the moment. But it shouldn't matter for bidding or domicile purposes if they don't open an LAX crew base--from a "pilot perspective" the PHX base is effectively the LAX + PHX 900s.

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Old 08-16-2014, 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Kprc1
These are projected numbers because there are only 5 E175's in IAH currently and zero at DFW and so on.
Wrong again. These are current aircraft on property and aircraft currently being delivered, all previously announced. BTW the number is 6 EJETS(on property) with 24being delivered over the course of this year and into the next.

The bases are projected. Not the aircraft.
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Old 08-16-2014, 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Bumbaclot
Wrong again. These are current aircraft on property and aircraft currently being delivered, all previously announced. BTW the number is 6 EJETS(on property) with 24being delivered over the course of this year and into the next.

The bases are projected. Not the aircraft.
It's still a projection of where the planes WILL be and how many WILL be there. PROJECTION. And they only have 5 EJETs in service. The 6th had a small on the ground incident keeping it out of service.
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Old 08-16-2014, 08:32 PM
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It may be useful to note that they're staffing the E-jets on a somewhat metered basis at a rate of 10 newhires and upgrades a month. On pace with aircraft deliveries, but I hear the real reason is that FlightSafety can only accommodate 20 bodies a month.
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Old 08-16-2014, 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Bumbaclot
Here's a temporary breakdown of where we'll eventually be:

IAD – 20 CRJ700s
IAH – 30 E175s
DFW – 29 CRJ900s
PHX – 17 CRJ900s
LAX – 9 CRJ900s
Just read the email we got today, you were spot on. Amazing the sources some guys here have.

Of moderate importance in that email were these tidbits:

At this time, we do not anticipate an LA hub/crew base.
Mesa’s Charlotte base is closing – with flying transitioning to DFW
Beginning in late October, approximately 3 aircraft per month will transition to DFW.
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Old 08-17-2014, 03:37 AM
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For any of you wondering if you get hired now if you will upgrade the honest answer is no. Not unless we get more growth. So if you plan to come to Mesa as a new hire right now, you have better start hoping hard we get more airplanes and can staff them all.

We have the CRJ staffed for the LAX flying.
The EJet has the current 5 flying but 6 planes staffed plus some in training and some awarded for a future date next month leaving about 110 upgrades if that left to be awarded for the remaining 24 EJets.

While we are filling classes at the moment, over the next year as others downsize/exchange 200/145 flying for bigger planes it will eventually become much harder to find pilots to recruit even if we get more planes awarded. You better hope, even with additional flying that at the halfway point of Mesa staffing them we can continue to find FO's to come here hoping for even more, just so you can get your upgrade that you hoped you would get on the planned deliveries. Basically at some point, things will not work out for you and Mesa due to poor staffing. If you deny this, you will learn the hard way. I have been at Mesa a long time and it is a cycle here. Good Luck, I wish all of you the best, I am glad to see you guys on line, with all the positive outlooks, but lets be real sometimes as most of you have families involved and this industry can be a real bummer in a flick of the eye.

If we do get more flying, you got lucky. That is what you need in this industry. It is all timing. Upward and Onward!!!
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Old 08-17-2014, 03:59 AM
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Mesa also did not anticipate this to happen with the EJets, but it is still possible in a way for a CLT Captain to get displaced in Oct/Nov etc, and instead of going to DFW they downgrade to FO in CLT and wait until they get to the end to go to DFW/IAD/PHX or wherever and then rebid/upgrade to the EJET. So unless Mesa issues one massive displacement with dates from OCT to June, you can expect some Captains to downgrade to get over to the EJet. Its just another flaw in the contract Mesa will try to avoid and I don't think has really thought much about. It is possible with displacements and downgrades to get and upgrade in the Ejet now. Good Luck Guys/Gals!
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Old 08-17-2014, 04:19 AM
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Originally Posted by flapshalfspeed
I found this FAA interpretation letter from March of this year that clarifies most of the gray areas of 121.436. I'm assuming this is what NovemberBravo and his all star class found in their Google search, however I won't be an arrogant douche and I'll post it here for ya:

http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/...rpretation.pdf

Long story short--cargo-only time doesn't count if the seats are removed, regardless of the original type certificated seating configuration of the aircraft.

On a side note, this isn't even something that affects me personally, but I strongly believe that all pilots should always help each other out on stuff like this and discuss the regs. Maybe I'm old fashioned, or maybe I've just done too many meetings as a union rep where conflicting interpretations happen all the time, but NovemberBravo I think it's really, really bad karma to be a douche about your internet searching skills instead of sharing whatever info you have about something.
Thanks for taking the time. I actually called the local FSDO and was told it would count but just goes to show that the new regs are a little ambiguous.
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