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Old 08-14-2014, 05:56 AM
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Originally Posted by SlowATRDriver
Coming from a guy that busted 4 basic checkrides??? Had a lot of respect for SkyWest till they hired you!
I wouldn't call CFI rides basic they were much harder than any of the 4 121 rides I've taken, I'm pretty certain SkyWest figured that out easily in the interview. Now to get back on track 100 hours of IOE is a lot I flew with a check airman the other day at OO and he did say it's taking more than usual about 50 hours. I know 1 guy in my class was let go because he didn't grasp it by 50 every company is different but still 100 is a lot and I'm sure isn't the norm.
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Old 08-14-2014, 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by ClarenceOver
if this is your way of getting cruz to shut his mouth. it probably worked.
Not all of us pour over APC 24/7 wishing were airline pilots.... Keep flying daddy's plane and just maybe you'll get hired somewhere.
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Old 08-14-2014, 06:13 AM
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There was a guy at Freedom on the 900 who had, I think, 108 hours of IOE before they let him go. Nice guy, just behind the airplane all the time.

Realize your first trip in IOE you'll feel like your sitting in the Aft Lav on take-off and you'll do fine. Very rarely do any non-121 folks grasp their first or second legs and are ahead of the plane.

Visual approaches: listen up and ask questions of the guy you're flying with even after IOE. ATC will assume you can read their minds, and that's going to get you in trouble.

Most of all, have fun and don't pull the thrust levers to idle at 50' in a 700. Just not a good thing.
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Old 08-14-2014, 06:15 AM
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So is Mesa hiring? I've had an app in for a couple of months now on airlineapps and all I've received/heard was a standard bounce back email of "Thanks for your interest in Mesa!".
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Old 08-14-2014, 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by SMACFUM
This absolutely makes sense, and I get it. But, during IOE isn't the line check airman that your paired up with supposed to guide the new guys through these types of issues? I guess I'm just trying to understand the dynamics of what exactly is expected and what the standard is v.s. how much assistance your allowed from the check airman. Better put, what is considered a "satisfactory" performance during IOE, or can this get pretty subjective?
It's subjective based on the check airman and especially your overall attitude/bearing.

For example, there are some peope who get all flustered in the "real" airplane on the line--typically the know-it-all types who are on APC giving advice to everyone before they even finish their checkride (cough cough, DeltaJuliet, cough cough).

Humility goes a very, very long way if you're an FNG in this industry--keep that in mind when you're on IOE--too many new hires these days think this is some kind of guaranteed thing they're entitlted to. Ironically, the new hires who seem to be the most humble and willing to listen & learn on IOE are the ones with a few thousand hours and a decent amount of 121 turbine experience--it takes time and experience to really comprehend how much you don't know, if that makes any sense.

Working the radios is a big hurdle for lots of people, especially people who haven't flown in and out of highly congested airspaces before--there's lots of slang and localized ways of doing/saying things, and it takes quite some time before you're really able to juggle ATC, comms with dispatch/maintenance, taxiing around and not having a runway incursion, all while keeping your eye on weather, fuel status, potential rest/FDP issues, etc..

This is why some of us on here kind of roll our eyes when people in this thread who are completely new to 121 flying confidently proclaim their ideations about upgrading in one year with exactly 1000 hours of 121 SIC time. IMHO you haven't seen enough stuff or developed enough instincts at that level, but maybe it works out for those "shoulder straps on always" type guys who have it all figured out!
+1000! Nice post
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Old 08-14-2014, 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Cruz5350
Not all of us pour over APC 24/7 wishing were airline pilots.... Keep flying daddy's plane and just maybe you'll get hired somewhere.
i know for a fact ill get hired by somebody. just not sure who. your saying MAYBE ill get hired with atp mins and a pulse? LOL
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Old 08-14-2014, 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by CharlieFoxtrot
So is Mesa hiring? I've had an app in for a couple of months now on airlineapps and all I've received/heard was a standard bounce back email of "Thanks for your interest in Mesa!".
Send an email to [email protected] with a resume attached and let them know what is going on.
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Old 08-14-2014, 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by flapshalfspeed
Humility goes a very, very long way if you're an FNG in this industry!
QFE. Do this, and you'll be fine. One guy in my class was panicking because his IOE instructor was constantly chewing his butt (not a good thing) and this guy was a pretty sharp but cocky kind of personality. The first piece of advice I gave him was to shut his mouth and EVEN IF HE DISAGREED with the instructor, to simply acknowledge what he said and do his best to implement what the instructor said. I also told him to ask questions "how would you do this..." and "what do you think about _____"

Lo and behold, things went perfectly fine from there.
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Old 08-14-2014, 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Bumbaclot
#1FYI - Being cleared for a visual seems to be the hardest for some guys in a jet...
The best/worst show in aviation. Its where one gets to demonstrate their skills for the better or worse. The real job is like a game of 52 pickup, organizational skills are tested on every leg, some do an outstanding job and some flounder when the script gets mixed up. Most do just fine.
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Old 08-14-2014, 09:53 AM
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And if you screw up bad enough please go around
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