prior121

It was a while back when I went through training but we were in CASS by week 4.

They've changed a lot of the training pipeline in the last 15 months so maybe someone who's been through more recently can chime in.

Navmode

Confirmed. Maybe not on initial bid, but definitively not more than a few month's wait.

deltajuliet

Should be out of IOE in a month. Phoenix was my first choice, I'll update people then if getting it immediately is possible (if it hasn't already been confirmed).

flapshalfspeed

Yeah--totally "making stuff up":

From: Fact Sheet ? Sleep Apnea in Aviation

"Obstructive Sleep Apnea (OSA) inhibits restorative sleep. It has significant safety implications because it can cause excessive daytime sleepiness, cognitive impairment, cardiac dysrthythmias, sudden cardiac death, personality disturbances, and hypertension. OSA is nearly universal in obese people who have a Body Mass Index (BMI) over 40."

"The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) determined that OSA was a contributing factor in the February13, 2008 Mesa Airlines flight 1002, operated as go!, incident which involved two pilots who fell asleep during the flight. The captain had undiagnosed OSA. The airplane traveled 26 miles past the destination airport before the flight crew resumed communications with air traffic control. All three crewmembers and 40 passengers onboard arrived safely. While not listed as the 'cause,' the NTSB database reveals 34 accidents, 32 of which were fatal, involving people who had sleep apnea and 294 incidents involving some type of sleep disorder."

Additionally, here's a fairly easy-to-understand review article for ya:

Mo Med. 2013 Nov-Dec;110(6):499-504.
Obesity: the 'huge' problem in cardiovascular diseases.

Retrieved from: Obesity: the 'huge' problem in cardiovascular... [Mo Med. 2013 Nov-Dec] - PubMed - NCBI

"Obesity is an epidemic in the United States. It is an independent risk factor for cardiovascular diseases and associated with reduced life expectancy. The adverse effects are related to direct impact of obesity on cardiovascular system and indirectly through its influence on risk factors. Excessive accumulation of adipose tissue in the myocardium leads to structural and functional alteration. In addition, numerous hormones secreted by adipose tissue create pro-inflammatory and prothrombotic state. This predisposes to coronary heart disease, heart failure, and sudden death. Even those with normal weight but excessive body fat are at risk. Weight reduction and exercise are the main therapeutic options."

flapshalfspeed

I welcome any peer-reviewed, published research literature you can offer indicating that "nothing (I) said above is the truth" and that it's all just my "ridiculous opinion."

Are you saying the FAA, NTSB, and a wealth of peer-reviewed medical research on this topic are all just "ridiculous"? Please write the FAA Aeromedical branch and share your opinion that you feel their data is "ridiculous"--I would love to see their response.

I feel compassion for people with color blindness, vision impairments, serious mental health conditions, and physical disabilities (including BMI>40) who are unable to safely operate an aircraft carrying the flying public. I wish EVERYONE could do what they wanted to in life, and I hope that medical technologies will one day make it possible for everyone to fly an airplane.

However, I will not budge on my position that having a high BMI (and a concomitantly increased risk of SCD (sudden cardiac death) and obstructive sleep apnea) is a serious safety concern that requires urgent aeromedical intervention by the FAA.

Here's one more study for you to read while you attempt to discredit my assertions:

Sudden cardiac death among firefighters ?45*yea... [Am J Cardiol. 2013] - PubMed - NCBI

RV5M

You're posting information of which everyone is already aware. Why no outrage and panic? By your reasoning, it's amazing fat people are even allowed to drive cars or operate machinery. Why don't you find a statistical study about the likliehood of an obese pilot becoming incapacitated in flight? I imagine it's about as probable as being struck by lightning.

Xdashdriver

As of the last standing bid (last month), most junior PHX FO award was April 14 DOH. 2 were awarded CLT. All the other CRJ awards were IAD. There should be another newhire award coming out in a couple weeks.

JamesNoBrakes

Real bad comparison. Airplanes are hit by lightning all the time.

prior121

united 1603

121again

Wouldn't it be great if there were a whole sub forum for this kind of discussion, oh wait..

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