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08-02-2014, 08:43 PM
#2011
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Why on earth would JO, the cheapest man in the industry want to absorb another pilot group.
No, he doesn't want some 15 year AE Captain, he wants a 2 year YV CA sitting next to a 1 year YV FO flying his metal. It doesn't get any cheaper than that.
If your still not following, let me break this down. If we merge, he absorbs the seniority of whichever group is merged with Mesa. That is much higher labor cost than a complete Mesa new hire FOs, and newly upgraded captains.
08-02-2014, 08:43 PM
#2013
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It honestly does not surprise me though, pilots are not as intelligent as their egos tend to allow them to believe they are.
Just look at people going to Expressjet. With everything we know about this industry over the past 15 years, who in gods name would take a job at an airline with all 50 seaters on renewing two year contracts?
Talk about setting yourself up for failure.
Just look at people going to Expressjet. With everything we know about this industry over the past 15 years, who in gods name would take a job at an airline with all 50 seaters on renewing two year contracts?
Talk about setting yourself up for failure.
Without listening to what just pilots say, all one has to do is just look at what is being said about these companies on any finance website.
08-02-2014, 08:46 PM
#2014
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Quote:
Originally Posted by prior121
At the way things are going, by the time the dust settles, this place is going to have 150 aircraft and 1500 pilots.
We have the CRJ and EJET on cert now. No 50 seaters to shed. JO's emails hint to the sky being the limit for new flying. I'm sure these first 30 175s are only the tip of the iceberg for 175 flying
Someone once asked a well known regional airline CEO what they thought would happen to Mesa back in 2010. (When all the dashs 200s and 145s were being parked) It was a general consensus in the room Mesa was done.
The CEO said "Mesa would be back and bigger than ever, and JO would be out for blood."
"Sky being the limit for new flying", so long as JO can keep you guys cheerleading to get new suckers to come work there..., and so long as he can keep your pay and benefits at the bottom of the regional barrel!
Originally Posted by prior121
At the way things are going, by the time the dust settles, this place is going to have 150 aircraft and 1500 pilots.
We have the CRJ and EJET on cert now. No 50 seaters to shed. JO's emails hint to the sky being the limit for new flying. I'm sure these first 30 175s are only the tip of the iceberg for 175 flying
Someone once asked a well known regional airline CEO what they thought would happen to Mesa back in 2010. (When all the dashs 200s and 145s were being parked) It was a general consensus in the room Mesa was done.
The CEO said "Mesa would be back and bigger than ever, and JO would be out for blood."
"Sky being the limit for new flying", so long as JO can keep you guys cheerleading to get new suckers to come work there..., and so long as he can keep your pay and benefits at the bottom of the regional barrel!
It's how the cookie crumbles, get in, get the PIC and get out. Sorry but its happening, get on board, or get left on the sidelines. I'm not saying it's right, I'm saying it's how this industry works.
08-02-2014, 09:14 PM
#2015
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Did you guys not take any sort of accounting class in school?
Why on earth would JO, the cheapest man in the industry want to absorb another pilot group.
No, he doesn't want some 15 year AE Captain, he wants a 2 year YV CA sitting next to a 1 year YV FO flying his metal. It doesn't get any cheaper than that.
If your still not following, let me break this down. If we merge, he absorbs the seniority of whichever group is merged with Mesa. That is much higher labor cost than a complete Mesa new hire FOs, and newly upgraded captains.
Why on earth would JO, the cheapest man in the industry want to absorb another pilot group.
No, he doesn't want some 15 year AE Captain, he wants a 2 year YV CA sitting next to a 1 year YV FO flying his metal. It doesn't get any cheaper than that.
If your still not following, let me break this down. If we merge, he absorbs the seniority of whichever group is merged with Mesa. That is much higher labor cost than a complete Mesa new hire FOs, and newly upgraded captains.
Don't you think it's a wee bit hypocritical to blast pilots for not knowing as much as they think they do and then in your very next post be making such cocksure statements?
08-02-2014, 09:28 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by prior121
Did you guys not take any sort of accounting class in school?
Why on earth would JO, the cheapest man in the industry want to absorb another pilot group.
No, he doesn't want some 15 year AE Captain, he wants a 2 year YV CA sitting next to a 1 year YV FO flying his metal. It doesn't get any cheaper than that.
If your still not following, let me break this down. If we merge, he absorbs the seniority of whichever group is merged with Mesa. That is much higher labor cost than a complete Mesa new hire FOs, and newly upgraded captains.
I didn't say I thought it was a good idea just that I heard the rumor. Mergers at the regional level are rarely if ever a good thing.
Don't you think it's a wee bit hypocritical to blast pilots for not knowing as much as they think they do and then in your very next post be making such cocksure statements?
Originally Posted by prior121
Did you guys not take any sort of accounting class in school?
Why on earth would JO, the cheapest man in the industry want to absorb another pilot group.
No, he doesn't want some 15 year AE Captain, he wants a 2 year YV CA sitting next to a 1 year YV FO flying his metal. It doesn't get any cheaper than that.
If your still not following, let me break this down. If we merge, he absorbs the seniority of whichever group is merged with Mesa. That is much higher labor cost than a complete Mesa new hire FOs, and newly upgraded captains.
I didn't say I thought it was a good idea just that I heard the rumor. Mergers at the regional level are rarely if ever a good thing.
Don't you think it's a wee bit hypocritical to blast pilots for not knowing as much as they think they do and then in your very next post be making such cocksure statements?
Im not telling fortunes.
08-02-2014, 09:43 PM
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08-02-2014, 10:06 PM
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Good because what I heard I didn't like. I think we'll keep this filed under the 'wild rumor' category no need to get feathers ruffled over it.
08-02-2014, 11:54 PM
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At the way things are going, by the time the dust settles, this place is going to have 150 aircraft and 1500 pilots.
We have the CRJ and EJET on cert now. No 50 seaters to shed. JO's emails hint to the sky being the limit for new flying. I'm sure these first 30 175s are only the tip of the iceberg for 175 flying
Someone once asked a well known regional airline CEO what they thought would happen to Mesa back in 2010. (When all the dashs 200s and 145s were being parked) It was a general consensus in the room Mesa was done.
The CEO said "Mesa would be back and bigger than ever, and JO would be out for blood."
We have the CRJ and EJET on cert now. No 50 seaters to shed. JO's emails hint to the sky being the limit for new flying. I'm sure these first 30 175s are only the tip of the iceberg for 175 flying
Someone once asked a well known regional airline CEO what they thought would happen to Mesa back in 2010. (When all the dashs 200s and 145s were being parked) It was a general consensus in the room Mesa was done.
The CEO said "Mesa would be back and bigger than ever, and JO would be out for blood."
08-03-2014, 03:13 PM
#2020
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Slightly off top question. Is there some sort of rule where an employee who comes up with a cost-saving measure gets some percentage of the money saved?
I've been told our paper weight and balances were created by an exceptionally sharp employee, and he gets some percentage of the money they've saved now. Kind of neat if it's true.
I've been told our paper weight and balances were created by an exceptionally sharp employee, and he gets some percentage of the money they've saved now. Kind of neat if it's true.
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