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Old 07-31-2014, 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by FaceBiter
Because it saves money (lol), ya know because dropping people after extra sims is so cheap.

The only way Mesa can get enough people through the door is by literally not having any standards. A percentage of guys are competent, want to go there for bases, a perceived quick upgrade, whatever. Then there's the "others".

Whoo boy.
Mesa is throwing darts on a board man. We all know that's what they are doing. Does it make them a crappy airline worthy of scorn? No. Some bean counter figured that x amount of gross newhires = x amount of net pilots and believe me, they've done the math concerning the attrition. It's a business decision not reflective upon the pilot group. My guess is that they want to get every eligible pilot who's not in the mood to do an astronaut interview in order to get a 20K per year job to come over to their outfit and hopefully they stick around for more than a year. It's a numbers game while there are still numbers to be had.

Some regionals are holding to strict hiring standards (like Compass); good for them. My guess (unless something radically changes) is that Compass will soon join the ranks of the mirror test unless they run out of candidates who want to do a traditional interview complete with Psych eval in order to make McD's wages. Otherwise those people will go to Mesa, GoJet and the like.

We will see.
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Old 07-31-2014, 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ClarenceOver
maybe ill start in caravans or beech 1900's. i really havnt made the decision of where i want to go yet. but i dont believe that because im a weak pilot now that i cant improve and work towards being a good and proficient pilot at a regional. there is too much time invested to just walk away now. if i have to start small thats fine but to say that i should walk away from the entire profession well ill tell you right now that simply isnt going to happen.
I never said walk away. Find a 135 cargo operation. You'll learn more about being a pilot there than in a 121 anyways.
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Old 07-31-2014, 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by flapshalfspeed
I wouldn't always count on being able to base hop like that--it only works when we're hiring and needing FOs in all bases.

Two things are going to happen later this year:

1) Last 900s on property
2) FO staffing levels (training bubble) to account for EJet/CRJ upgrades several months out could be achieved

Unless there's a big uptick in attrition or an acceleration of EJet deliveries (which could happen), base hopping might not work.

I'm just saying be cautious when doing that--the current pace of FO hiring and growth can't last forever, and "oh it's just LAX for a month brah" can quickly turn into months, years, lifetimes.

YMMV//just IMHO
Any projection as to if/when Mesa would stop hiring?
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Old 07-31-2014, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by sevenforseven
Mesa is throwing darts on a board man. We all know that's what they are doing. Does it make them a crappy airline worthy of scorn? No. Some bean counter figured that x amount of gross newhires = x amount of net pilots and believe me, they've done the math concerning the attrition. It's a business decision not reflective upon the pilot group. My guess is that they want to get every eligible pilot who's not in the mood to do an astronaut interview in order to get a 20K per year job to come over to their outfit and hopefully they stick around for more than a year. It's a numbers game while there are still numbers to be had.

Some regionals are holding to strict hiring standards (like Compass); good for them. My guess (unless something radically changes) is that Compass will soon join the ranks of the mirror test unless they run out of candidates who want to do a traditional interview complete with Psych eval in order to make McD's wages. Otherwise those people will go to Mesa, GoJet and the like.

We will see.
I couldn't agree more. I studied my ass off for an interview at SkyWest and Horizon. I spent over $1000 to train in a Frasca 142. And for what? A free flight to Portland or Salt Lake? A tough interview with no guarantee of an offer for a class date that will be in October? Then I come to realize that I want to upgrade in less than 7-11 years. Why sit right seat for that long?
Is a current SkyWest or Horizon FO more capable than me? I think not! Where I choose to work is MY CHOICE based on what I THINK is most important. I am glad I've had a few airlines to choose from.

Good luck to all new hires who choose where they want to work. Not where they end up.
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Old 07-31-2014, 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
I never said walk away. Find a 135 cargo operation. You'll learn more about being a pilot there than in a 121 anyways.
i know YOU didnt say walk away but a few others have and hopefully in a joking manner you would be completely insane to leave the industry 100 hours shy of atp mins. also isnt 135 harder training in most cases than 121?
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Old 07-31-2014, 03:55 PM
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Broseph is the highest form of brodom. Homeboy clearly isn't on that level.

You with me champ?
you must know exactly how far to push the mods without getting banned. teach me your ways...
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Old 07-31-2014, 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by ClarenceOver
<snip> also isnt 135 harder training in most cases than 121?
Where'd you get that idea?
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Old 07-31-2014, 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by FaceBiter
Broseph is the highest form of brodom. Homeboy clearly isn't on that level.

You with me champ?
You failed the Mesa phone interview, didn't you.
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Old 07-31-2014, 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by FaceBiter
Hey champ. You read the posts above? I'm just repeating what flaps half speed is saying.

Try and keep up.
Hey Skippy. The tag under your users name says "Gets Weekends Off" and identifies you as a moderator. So moderate. Keep your dog out of the fight. You shouldn't post and should seriously not repeat or echo other peoples posts whether you can or can't personally verify.

Try and keep, well, quite.
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Old 07-31-2014, 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by sevenforseven
Where'd you get that idea?
just what i have been told by several people i know at amf. unless they are lying? but 135 flying is no walk in the park either
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