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08-21-2013, 08:00 PM
#151
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80-90 pilots so far ? Yes, Yes, and Yes it will continue into 2014.
Reserve is super short (1-2mo.) with most new hires already having lines in CLT and IAD. Very few pilots make it to Hawaii for their mini vacays
before they can hold IAD or CLT as a base.
ORD and PHX have senior FO's on Reserve.
Excluding PHX all other bases remain short on reserves.(RedLine)
Typical lines are from 88 to 98 hour lines. Incentive flying (200%) and JRA's happening intermittently...
80-90 pilots so far ? Yes, Yes, and Yes it will continue into 2014.
Reserve is super short (1-2mo.) with most new hires already having lines in CLT and IAD. Very few pilots make it to Hawaii for their mini vacays
before they can hold IAD or CLT as a base. ORD and PHX have senior FO's on Reserve.
Excluding PHX all other bases remain short on reserves.(RedLine)
Typical lines are from 88 to 98 hour lines. Incentive flying (200%) and JRA's happening intermittently...
Hello, Sounds as tho you fly at Mesa. Can I ask a couple of questions? I have a class date in Sept. How is the QOL for new FO that would need to commute to a junior base? I guess ORD & PHX is out of the question for a new hire. Any info on time to upgrade to Captain, or any aircraft orders? Any info on how many or how long Mesa plans to hire? Any info or suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!
08-21-2013, 08:48 PM
#152
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Joined APC: Jan 2009
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Hello, Sounds as tho you fly at Mesa. Can I ask a couple of questions? I have a class date in Sept. How is the QOL for new FO that would need to commute to a junior base? I guess ORD & PHX is out of the question for a new hire. Any info on time to upgrade to Captain, or any aircraft orders? Any info on how many or how long Mesa plans to hire? Any info or suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!
Grab a calendar, pick a 31 day month. Pick 11 days off, make sure they are in groupings of 2 or more. Each grouping of these "OFF" days must have 3 to 6 days "ON" between them. However you arrange it, it must fit these rules.
Now, imagine taking a flight into CLT or IAD on your last day off before you begin your reserve stretch, because starting at 0400 or 0700 whatever it is will not allow you to fly in "day of" Oh and maybe you better leave that afternoon as to not wait until the very last flight, cause what if you don't get on or it cancels?
Now imagine flying until 22:45 on your last day of reserve. Not saying that will always happen, but it will happen at least a fair amount.
Therefore imagine finding a hotel on your dime, or heading to the crash pad awaiting the next morning (your first day off) to get home.
Mark it out on the calendar and see how much you will be home.
Now imagine you live in base on reserve (not saying this is an option for you, and I understand not everyone can live in base, but it makes a world of difference)
Calendar looks the same, but now you are home as soon as you can run the shutdown checklist. And you're in your own bed the night before your first reserve shift. Hey maybe you don't get tasked until 2 pm the first day - that's free time at home. Maybe it's just an out & back, and then you have the rest of the afternoon at home. Maybe it's three 2 day trips back to back with 15 hours between each one, which is like free time at home. Maybe you have a 5 hours of normal reserve between flights that you could go home for. Maybe you do four one-day trips that all end at 4 pm - you get the drift.
My point is that commuting to reserve will be miserable, but reserve at Mesa "in base" is not that bad at all.
That said, if you don't have kids, or aren't married, and home is where you hang your hat kind of thing, then you may not mind it at all.
To each his own.
Not trying to be patronizing or anything with this post. Sometimes really spelling it out in really simple terms can cast a light otherwise overlooked.
08-22-2013, 09:38 AM
#153
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Thank you for the info. Good to hear a discussion of the unvarnished truth.
08-22-2013, 09:01 PM
#154
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Joined APC: Jan 2006
Posts: 131
I agree with your insight. However, consider this:
I was at YV for 8 years. During that time, I was based in 6 domiciles. Most of it was not by choice. Bases open, close, grow, downsize, etc.
I finally just decided to live where I wanted to live and commute.
Honestly, you just can't win at the regionals.
I was at YV for 8 years. During that time, I was based in 6 domiciles. Most of it was not by choice. Bases open, close, grow, downsize, etc.
I finally just decided to live where I wanted to live and commute.
Honestly, you just can't win at the regionals.
Want to imagine your life commuting on RSV?
Grab a calendar, pick a 31 day month. Pick 11 days off, make sure they are in groupings of 2 or more. Each grouping of these "OFF" days must have 3 to 6 days "ON" between them. However you arrange it, it must fit these rules.
Now, imagine taking a flight into CLT or IAD on your last day off before you begin your reserve stretch, because starting at 0400 or 0700 whatever it is will not allow you to fly in "day of" Oh and maybe you better leave that afternoon as to not wait until the very last flight, cause what if you don't get on or it cancels?
Now imagine flying until 22:45 on your last day of reserve. Not saying that will always happen, but it will happen at least a fair amount.
Therefore imagine finding a hotel on your dime, or heading to the crash pad awaiting the next morning (your first day off) to get home.
Mark it out on the calendar and see how much you will be home.
Now imagine you live in base on reserve (not saying this is an option for you, and I understand not everyone can live in base, but it makes a world of difference)
Calendar looks the same, but now you are home as soon as you can run the shutdown checklist. And you're in your own bed the night before your first reserve shift. Hey maybe you don't get tasked until 2 pm the first day - that's free time at home. Maybe it's just an out & back, and then you have the rest of the afternoon at home. Maybe it's three 2 day trips back to back with 15 hours between each one, which is like free time at home. Maybe you have a 5 hours of normal reserve between flights that you could go home for. Maybe you do four one-day trips that all end at 4 pm - you get the drift.
My point is that commuting to reserve will be miserable, but reserve at Mesa "in base" is not that bad at all.
That said, if you don't have kids, or aren't married, and home is where you hang your hat kind of thing, then you may not mind it at all.
To each his own.
Not trying to be patronizing or anything with this post. Sometimes really spelling it out in really simple terms can cast a light otherwise overlooked.
Grab a calendar, pick a 31 day month. Pick 11 days off, make sure they are in groupings of 2 or more. Each grouping of these "OFF" days must have 3 to 6 days "ON" between them. However you arrange it, it must fit these rules.
Now, imagine taking a flight into CLT or IAD on your last day off before you begin your reserve stretch, because starting at 0400 or 0700 whatever it is will not allow you to fly in "day of" Oh and maybe you better leave that afternoon as to not wait until the very last flight, cause what if you don't get on or it cancels?
Now imagine flying until 22:45 on your last day of reserve. Not saying that will always happen, but it will happen at least a fair amount.
Therefore imagine finding a hotel on your dime, or heading to the crash pad awaiting the next morning (your first day off) to get home.
Mark it out on the calendar and see how much you will be home.
Now imagine you live in base on reserve (not saying this is an option for you, and I understand not everyone can live in base, but it makes a world of difference)
Calendar looks the same, but now you are home as soon as you can run the shutdown checklist. And you're in your own bed the night before your first reserve shift. Hey maybe you don't get tasked until 2 pm the first day - that's free time at home. Maybe it's just an out & back, and then you have the rest of the afternoon at home. Maybe it's three 2 day trips back to back with 15 hours between each one, which is like free time at home. Maybe you have a 5 hours of normal reserve between flights that you could go home for. Maybe you do four one-day trips that all end at 4 pm - you get the drift.
My point is that commuting to reserve will be miserable, but reserve at Mesa "in base" is not that bad at all.
That said, if you don't have kids, or aren't married, and home is where you hang your hat kind of thing, then you may not mind it at all.
To each his own.
Not trying to be patronizing or anything with this post. Sometimes really spelling it out in really simple terms can cast a light otherwise overlooked.
08-22-2013, 10:30 PM
#155
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Joined APC: Jan 2009
Posts: 1,459
I agree with your insight. However, consider this:
I was at YV for 8 years. During that time, I was based in 6 domiciles. Most of it was not by choice. Bases open, close, grow, downsize, etc.
I finally just decided to live where I wanted to live and commute.
Honestly, you just can't win at the regionals.
I was at YV for 8 years. During that time, I was based in 6 domiciles. Most of it was not by choice. Bases open, close, grow, downsize, etc.
I finally just decided to live where I wanted to live and commute.
Honestly, you just can't win at the regionals.
08-24-2013, 12:17 AM
#156
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Joined APC: Mar 2013
Position: 175 Left
Posts: 1,539
40 new hires a month for the foreseeable future......
08-24-2013, 08:42 AM
#158
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Joined APC: Dec 2010
Position: CRJ
Posts: 273
Mesa
40 new hires announced for both September and October by flight ops due to FAR 117 + "possible" new flying.
08-24-2013, 09:13 AM
#159
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Joined APC: May 2012
Posts: 1,071
All these should be in the works long before a new aircraft type arrives on property...
08-24-2013, 09:19 AM
#160
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Joined APC: May 2012
Position: OO RJ FO
Posts: 437
From what I hear they have been doing all of this, I'm not sure about the sim time tho. Mesa has been quite about it while SkyWest was very open and everyone was spilling the beans.
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