Mesa Air Group Chapter 11 Info
05-18-2010, 05:01 PM
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05-18-2010, 05:34 PM
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WstCstCmtr,
I'm just sitting back watching the fight of the dung beetles.
Seriously though I don't have anything to add except that I stand by my earlier posts.
MAG management will now have to submit their "PLAN B" POR and attempt to emerge with a CRJ 700/900 fleet without a large DAL settlement.
The Georgia court decision makes it much more difficult to prevail in any further litigation and convince the Creditor's Committee that the post-bankruptcy MAG will be a well managed company.
The employees of MAG can only hope that the creditor's plan includes a management change.
Good luck to the fine ALPA and AFA people at Freedom Airlines.
winglet
I'm just sitting back watching the fight of the dung beetles.
Seriously though I don't have anything to add except that I stand by my earlier posts.
MAG management will now have to submit their "PLAN B" POR and attempt to emerge with a CRJ 700/900 fleet without a large DAL settlement.
The Georgia court decision makes it much more difficult to prevail in any further litigation and convince the Creditor's Committee that the post-bankruptcy MAG will be a well managed company.
The employees of MAG can only hope that the creditor's plan includes a management change.
Good luck to the fine ALPA and AFA people at Freedom Airlines.
winglet
Last edited by winglet; 05-18-2010 at 06:11 PM.
05-18-2010, 08:39 PM
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Maybe it's time for ALPA to reiterate their lack of confidence in the stellar management team at MAG.
ALPA lambastes Mesa’s operations record
By: Gregory Polek
Aviation International News >> December 2006
Air Transport and Cargo
The Air Line Pilots Association last month issued a vote of no confidence in the management of Phoenix-based Mesa Air Group due to what union leadership characterized as slowing growth and rapidly mounting operational problems.
“As Mesa expanded over the past three years, our management passed off our operational problems–broken aircraft, crew shortages, dirty cabins, delayed and canceled flights–as the ‘price of rapid growth,’” said ALPA’s Mesa unit chairman, Capt. James Ackerman. However, as growth slowed dramatically this year, “operational problems still persist and, in fact, have worsened,” added Ackerman.
In a recent survey of Mesa pilots, 90 percent of respondents voiced a lack of confidence in management, according to ALPA.
ALPA lambastes Mesa?s operations record: AINonline
ALPA lambastes Mesa’s operations record
By: Gregory Polek
Aviation International News >> December 2006
Air Transport and Cargo
The Air Line Pilots Association last month issued a vote of no confidence in the management of Phoenix-based Mesa Air Group due to what union leadership characterized as slowing growth and rapidly mounting operational problems.
“As Mesa expanded over the past three years, our management passed off our operational problems–broken aircraft, crew shortages, dirty cabins, delayed and canceled flights–as the ‘price of rapid growth,’” said ALPA’s Mesa unit chairman, Capt. James Ackerman. However, as growth slowed dramatically this year, “operational problems still persist and, in fact, have worsened,” added Ackerman.
In a recent survey of Mesa pilots, 90 percent of respondents voiced a lack of confidence in management, according to ALPA.
ALPA lambastes Mesa?s operations record: AINonline
05-19-2010, 01:21 AM
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WstCstCmtr,
I'm just sitting back watching the fight of the dung beetles.
Seriously though I don't have anything to add except that I stand by my earlier posts.
MAG management will now have to submit their "PLAN B" POR and attempt to emerge with a CRJ 700/900 fleet without a large DAL settlement.
The Georgia court decision makes it much more difficult to prevail in any further litigation and convince the Creditor's Committee that the post-bankruptcy MAG will be a well managed company.
The employees of MAG can only hope that the creditor's plan includes a management change.
Good luck to the fine ALPA and AFA people at Freedom Airlines.
winglet
I'm just sitting back watching the fight of the dung beetles.
Seriously though I don't have anything to add except that I stand by my earlier posts.
MAG management will now have to submit their "PLAN B" POR and attempt to emerge with a CRJ 700/900 fleet without a large DAL settlement.
The Georgia court decision makes it much more difficult to prevail in any further litigation and convince the Creditor's Committee that the post-bankruptcy MAG will be a well managed company.
The employees of MAG can only hope that the creditor's plan includes a management change.
Good luck to the fine ALPA and AFA people at Freedom Airlines.
winglet
What effect does this ruling have on the July hearing in BK court, since effectively there is no longer a contract?
05-19-2010, 02:17 AM
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Maybe Winglet can help here a bit. But with the DAL news now Mesa is barely holding onto only one contract with Airways. Of which is strictly 900 flying. This contract was formed between America West and was indeed a very profitable venture for Mesa. However with it being up in 2012 now Mesa will have to show the court they can return to a profitable airline and maintain that for the future. To do so the contract with Airways I would assume would have to stay in place with current terms and also get extended.
It would appear Airways is not so willing to stay with Mesa on the expensive current contract. Thus Mesa will have to renegotiate that contract, for less money and barely a profit, in order to keep dancing with Airways. Parker has stated over and over again that either Mesa becomes cheaper and they will emerge from Chap 11 or they do not and thus will sink into history...
With that there are strong rumors that AWAC and Mesa both put a bid on a CRJ900 PRF for Airways... With PSA also being an option... I don't see awac pilots flying for current rates or their mgt team being willing to give them more money to fly due to them being stingey and thus hurting their bottom line. Plus it sounds like Airways is being very cheap with what they will pay... Not much money to be made and probably more like the Xjet UAL contract...
All in all it seems like there are truely no winners here. More MAG employees without jobs. Perhaps regionals further undercutting each other and their Mainline partners... And bitting at the bits for the scraps and thus Management teams going to ask pilot groups to do larger RJs at current rates or less (in Mesas case).
It would appear Airways is not so willing to stay with Mesa on the expensive current contract. Thus Mesa will have to renegotiate that contract, for less money and barely a profit, in order to keep dancing with Airways. Parker has stated over and over again that either Mesa becomes cheaper and they will emerge from Chap 11 or they do not and thus will sink into history...
With that there are strong rumors that AWAC and Mesa both put a bid on a CRJ900 PRF for Airways... With PSA also being an option... I don't see awac pilots flying for current rates or their mgt team being willing to give them more money to fly due to them being stingey and thus hurting their bottom line. Plus it sounds like Airways is being very cheap with what they will pay... Not much money to be made and probably more like the Xjet UAL contract...
All in all it seems like there are truely no winners here. More MAG employees without jobs. Perhaps regionals further undercutting each other and their Mainline partners... And bitting at the bits for the scraps and thus Management teams going to ask pilot groups to do larger RJs at current rates or less (in Mesas case).
05-19-2010, 03:45 AM
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All in all it seems like there are truely no winners here. More MAG employees without jobs. Perhaps regionals further undercutting each other and their Mainline partners... And bitting at the bits for the scraps and thus Management teams going to ask pilot groups to do larger RJs at current rates or less (in Mesas case).
Where is that pilot shortage again? Every time I turn around more pilots are hitting the streets.
05-19-2010, 10:04 AM
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