Mesa Air Group Chapter 11 Info
05-06-2010, 09:24 PM
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Have you even bothered to look at the incredible retirement numbers over the next 5-10 years from Delta alone? [edit: removed comments]
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05-06-2010, 11:19 PM
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Don't forget that Delta scheduled F8 flights out of JFK.. not YV. When the Dash 8s went to JFK, we had a 3-something flight to PVD that was blocked at 40 minutes.
At 3:40PM, at JFK, guess where that Dash 8 was?
Take a wild guess...
YV fought tooth and nail when the CATEX files were received and saw the crappy schedules....
At 3:40PM, at JFK, guess where that Dash 8 was?
Take a wild guess...
YV fought tooth and nail when the CATEX files were received and saw the crappy schedules....
05-07-2010, 01:54 AM
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Don't forget that Delta scheduled F8 flights out of JFK.. not YV. When the Dash 8s went to JFK, we had a 3-something flight to PVD that was blocked at 40 minutes.
At 3:40PM, at JFK, guess where that Dash 8 was?
Take a wild guess...
YV fought tooth and nail when the CATEX files were received and saw the crappy schedules....
At 3:40PM, at JFK, guess where that Dash 8 was?
Take a wild guess...
YV fought tooth and nail when the CATEX files were received and saw the crappy schedules....
05-07-2010, 02:14 AM
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The reason their contract with USAirways is so nice is because America West was the only one of thier airlines that they had a contract with that wasn't in bankruptcy. All Mesa's other contract were modified with lower $$. Scott Kirby said himself that they are in talks with Mesa to renegotiate a contract and if Mesa doesn't come in cheaper, they will cancel their contract and find someone else, which might have happened recently. There is buzz going around but no official word has come down yet. So yes, they do have a nice contract with Airways and I'm sure that's what kept them going, but that is short lived and unless they resign for less $$, that might be the last straw for Mesa.
05-07-2010, 05:22 AM
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Winglet,
In the event that Mesa does lose to Delta (again, assuming though nothing's been decided), what then happens in bankruptcy? Does Mesa simply add the planes no longer flying with Delta to the list they want to return/cut-loose and then just operate for Airways?
In the event that Mesa does lose to Delta (again, assuming though nothing's been decided), what then happens in bankruptcy? Does Mesa simply add the planes no longer flying with Delta to the list they want to return/cut-loose and then just operate for Airways?
05-07-2010, 11:21 AM
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Winglet,
In the event that Mesa does lose to Delta (again, assuming though nothing's been decided), what then happens in bankruptcy? Does Mesa simply add the planes no longer flying with Delta to the list they want to return/cut-loose and then just operate for Airways?
In the event that Mesa does lose to Delta (again, assuming though nothing's been decided), what then happens in bankruptcy? Does Mesa simply add the planes no longer flying with Delta to the list they want to return/cut-loose and then just operate for Airways?
Good question. Mesa already has that contingency in place. The 36 ERJ's were listed under "aircraft to be abandoned" on January 26th.
Here's something that will add to the confusion
:Just a hunch, but I suspect that initialy MAG was hoping for a large settlement with DAL to help finance the bankruptcy and simultaneously rid itself of 36 50-seaters. If DAL continues to appear not interested in settling, MAG may now just prefer to lose, abandon these 50 seaters through the bankruptcy process and attempt to continue without a settlement. The alternative is to win, emerge from bankruptcy and then be left with 36 out of work ERJ's in 2013. Win you lose...lose you win...
Does that blow your mind?
winglet
05-07-2010, 11:56 AM
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Theonemarine,
Good question. Mesa already has that contingency in place. The 36 ERJ's were listed under "aircraft to be abandoned" on January 26th.
Here's something that will add to the confusion:
Just a hunch, but I suspect that initialy MAG was hoping for a large settlement with DAL to help finance the bankruptcy and simultaneously rid itself of 36 50-seaters. If DAL continues to appear not interested in settling, MAG may now just prefer to lose, abandon these 50 seaters through the bankruptcy process and attempt to continue without a settlement. The alternative is to win, emerge from bankruptcy and then be left with 36 out of work ERJ's in 2013. Win you lose...lose you win...
Does that blow your mind?
winglet
Good question. Mesa already has that contingency in place. The 36 ERJ's were listed under "aircraft to be abandoned" on January 26th.
Here's something that will add to the confusion
:Just a hunch, but I suspect that initialy MAG was hoping for a large settlement with DAL to help finance the bankruptcy and simultaneously rid itself of 36 50-seaters. If DAL continues to appear not interested in settling, MAG may now just prefer to lose, abandon these 50 seaters through the bankruptcy process and attempt to continue without a settlement. The alternative is to win, emerge from bankruptcy and then be left with 36 out of work ERJ's in 2013. Win you lose...lose you win...
Does that blow your mind?
winglet
But he's between a rock and a hard place...in his quest for damages/settlement he has to fight tooth and nail to win, in which case he keeps the flying (which he really doesn't want).
If he just resigns the lawsuit to ditch the contract and get rid of the airplanes, he will likely be on the hook for DAL's legal fees and who knows what else.
05-07-2010, 01:00 PM
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Theonemarine,
Good question. Mesa already has that contingency in place. The 36 ERJ's were listed under "aircraft to be abandoned" on January 26th.
Here's something that will add to the confusion:
Just a hunch, but I suspect that initialy MAG was hoping for a large settlement with DAL to help finance the bankruptcy and simultaneously rid itself of 36 50-seaters. If DAL continues to appear not interested in settling, MAG may now just prefer to lose, abandon these 50 seaters through the bankruptcy process and attempt to continue without a settlement. The alternative is to win, emerge from bankruptcy and then be left with 36 out of work ERJ's in 2013. Win you lose...lose you win...
Does that blow your mind?
winglet
Good question. Mesa already has that contingency in place. The 36 ERJ's were listed under "aircraft to be abandoned" on January 26th.
Here's something that will add to the confusion
:Just a hunch, but I suspect that initialy MAG was hoping for a large settlement with DAL to help finance the bankruptcy and simultaneously rid itself of 36 50-seaters. If DAL continues to appear not interested in settling, MAG may now just prefer to lose, abandon these 50 seaters through the bankruptcy process and attempt to continue without a settlement. The alternative is to win, emerge from bankruptcy and then be left with 36 out of work ERJ's in 2013. Win you lose...lose you win...
Does that blow your mind?
winglet
05-07-2010, 01:21 PM
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mwa1,
Good for you, here's your scenario-outset-suggestion pin
.
(Kidding)
My post was actually addressed and in response to Theonemarine's question and anyone else not familiar with the proceedings.
winglet
Good for you, here's your scenario-outset-suggestion pin
.(Kidding)
My post was actually addressed and in response to Theonemarine's question and anyone else not familiar with the proceedings.
winglet
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