rickair7777

They haven't lost yet, the court order is JO's proposal not the final order. The final result will probably be different from the proposals anyway.

minimwage4

LOL yea I just noticed the post above mine. but still something for the lawyers to think about if they lose!

theHub

I heard a RFP went out for 900 flying for LCC. I know it's mostly for Mesa to rebid to lower their costs with mainline, to fly cheaper, if that's even possible. However, I also heard that PSA was given the flying, and are expecting to be given some 900's. Now, their is no way that LCC can add more 50 plus seat equipment to express without taing ot away from someone else, so could this be Mesa's flying? Yes, there are major rumors floating around PSA/PDT about this, but does anyone actually know?

CaptKrunch

Yes people know. However those who know are not going to tell pilots or any other workers.

surreal1221

Guess we could allow our emotions to control our typing, or we could use a bit of rational thought.

It's clear to most of us that each respective company was using different data to compile their monthly completion factor percentages. One company was using cancellations and the other was omitting the cancellations. The agreements between the two companies provide for the calculation equations, and yet one of them decided to change it up and - in court - tried to make it appear as if a new agreement had been reached - yet they failed to show any evidence of a new agreement.

One of the company's contends that the other failed to meet completion factor goals for any three months within a 6 month period. The other company said "No, we have this new agreement. . .you can't cancel us now." (essentially)

Since no evidence was provided indicating a new agreement was reached, it's not a difficult finding write-up for even a L3 law student.

One company is realizing they failed to lie to their own people (even having a Chief Pilot questioning bonus statements) and are having an even harder time selling a myth to a court.

The comedy will eventually end here soon, and many of us can move on.

CptRyn

Opps....sorry for being premature. This has never happened to me before!!!!

Bucking Bar

Surreal,

Good post. But Mesa effectively won as soon as they got injunctive relief. They are still on the job and still getting paid. By the time this decision comes down and Mesa appeals (if they lose) they can easily keep it going until the contract expires in 2012.

So the rest of the fight is about bragging rights and attorney's fees.

Seems like a huge blunder from the inception. The fact we're here documents that the contract was poorly written and it's administration so negligent that millions of dollars got out the door before anyone figured out there was a question. Then politics and the "flavor of the day" thinking drove an audit which had a presupposed outcome.

Based on rational economics, there never was a place for 750'ish RJ's to begin with.

winglet

The Judge has not yet issued an order. See definition of "proposal".

Wow!

winglet

eaglefly

Mesa may indeed milk this out to 2012. But in 2 years, it's almost a certainty they won't be operating for either DAL or UAL. Highly unlikely AA will touch them and that leaves U.

Considering all the shedding UAL and DAL might do regional wise, there will be plenty of players jockeying for Mesa's U flying and my bet says Mesa will be extinct within a few years, but that'll be plenty of time for OJ to do some milking himself.

[edit: removed flamebait]

meyers9163

Mesa's current contract with USairways is actually very profitable.... It is one of the reasons MESA MIGHT make it through..... Mesa would have been REALLY hurting if not for their profitable contract with LCC and more so American West.