Mesa Air Group Chapter 11 Info
01-29-2010, 06:53 PM
#291
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Posts: 41
Correct,
J.O Graduated High School in New Rochelle, NY. in the '70's ( Mee too, one town over..). This man has kabbalistic connections, that you and I, as average Joe pilot / citizens, have not!!
He is hooked up with The Goldman Sachs boys. This I know for a fact, and the Mesa Hierarchy knows this also!!! With this in mind, anything is possible.
Last edited by horusfalcon; 01-29-2010 at 07:08 PM.
01-30-2010, 05:12 AM
#292
Banned
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Posts: 8,350
Ahhhh...........to be young and to dream.
Yes, everything's going to be just fine.................all you have to do is rely on and follow papa O and he'll make all those dreams come true.
Dreams of riches.
Dreams of love.
Dreams of shiny metal airplanes.
It all will fit like a glove.
He's the messiah.
He's the god.
He's the guru of hope.
He'll never lead you down a slippery slope.
Everything's true.
Nothing's a lie.
All you have to do is continue to fly.
If you follow him everything will be pie in the sky.
Yes, everything's going to be just fine.................all you have to do is rely on and follow papa O and he'll make all those dreams come true.
Dreams of riches.
Dreams of love.
Dreams of shiny metal airplanes.
It all will fit like a glove.
He's the messiah.
He's the god.
He's the guru of hope.
He'll never lead you down a slippery slope.
Everything's true.
Nothing's a lie.
All you have to do is continue to fly.
If you follow him everything will be pie in the sky.
01-30-2010, 07:14 AM
#293
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: A320 FO
Posts: 1,454
Ahhhh...........to be young and to dream.
Yes, everything's going to be just fine.................all you have to do is rely on and follow papa O and he'll make all those dreams come true.
Dreams of riches.
Dreams of love.
Dreams of shiny metal airplanes.
It all will fit like a glove.
He's the messiah.
He's the god.
He's the guru of hope.
He'll never lead you down a slippery slope.
Everything's true.
Nothing's a lie.
All you have to do is continue to fly.
If you follow him everything will be pie in the sky.
Yes, everything's going to be just fine.................all you have to do is rely on and follow papa O and he'll make all those dreams come true.
Dreams of riches.
Dreams of love.
Dreams of shiny metal airplanes.
It all will fit like a glove.
He's the messiah.
He's the god.
He's the guru of hope.
He'll never lead you down a slippery slope.
Everything's true.
Nothing's a lie.
All you have to do is continue to fly.
If you follow him everything will be pie in the sky.
01-30-2010, 08:04 AM
#294
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2008
Posts: 126
Ahhhh...........to be young and to dream.
Yes, everything's going to be just fine.................all you have to do is rely on and follow papa O and he'll make all those dreams come true.
Dreams of riches.
Dreams of love.
Dreams of shiny metal airplanes.
It all will fit like a glove.
He's the messiah.
He's the god.
He's the guru of hope.
He'll never lead you down a slippery slope.
Everything's true.
Nothing's a lie.
All you have to do is continue to fly.
If you follow him everything will be pie in the sky.
Yes, everything's going to be just fine.................all you have to do is rely on and follow papa O and he'll make all those dreams come true.
Dreams of riches.
Dreams of love.
Dreams of shiny metal airplanes.
It all will fit like a glove.
He's the messiah.
He's the god.
He's the guru of hope.
He'll never lead you down a slippery slope.
Everything's true.
Nothing's a lie.
All you have to do is continue to fly.
If you follow him everything will be pie in the sky.
01-30-2010, 08:11 AM
#295
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2007
Position: NOYDB
Posts: 876
Ahhhh...........to be young and to dream.
Yes, everything's going to be just fine.................all you have to do is rely on and follow papa O and he'll make all those dreams come true.
Dreams of riches.
Dreams of love.
Dreams of shiny metal airplanes.
It all will fit like a glove.
He's the messiah.
He's the god.
He's the guru of hope.
He'll never lead you down a slippery slope.
Everything's true.
Nothing's a lie.
All you have to do is continue to fly.
If you follow him everything will be pie in the sky.
Yes, everything's going to be just fine.................all you have to do is rely on and follow papa O and he'll make all those dreams come true.
Dreams of riches.
Dreams of love.
Dreams of shiny metal airplanes.
It all will fit like a glove.
He's the messiah.
He's the god.
He's the guru of hope.
He'll never lead you down a slippery slope.
Everything's true.
Nothing's a lie.
All you have to do is continue to fly.
If you follow him everything will be pie in the sky.
01-31-2010, 01:05 PM
#296
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Joined APC: Oct 2006
Posts: 1,001
Did US do a second round of J4J's with Mesa after the US/AWA merger?
01-31-2010, 05:09 PM
#297
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Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Engines Turn Or People Swim
Posts: 40,044
Yes
I don't think so, but I know they were still showing up as late as early 2005. However, I don't think any of them were cactus guys.
I don't think so, but I know they were still showing up as late as early 2005. However, I don't think any of them were cactus guys.
01-31-2010, 08:31 PM
#298
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Thread Starter
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Posts: 467
These airlines are not debtors or creditors. They are customers and do not fall into the automatic “stay” clause. They can cancel contracts anytime period. It will be interesting if the judge takes on the delta lawsuit. Any money received will go the debtors when and if it comes. The contract stays mainly apply to debtors who would stop services and interfere with the operation of the protected company. These people forced to continue to “do” mesa will get paid from court. The money owed before protection will be poop pie. (I like that phrase). If mesa cannot pay the bills run up while in bankruptcy its round and round and down.
After reorganization any customer is free to cancel a contract in district court but as we saw with the Delta case, this gets expensive in a hurry for all parties involved.
You're welcome,
winglet
Last edited by winglet; 01-31-2010 at 08:55 PM.
02-02-2010, 04:45 AM
#300
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Thread Starter
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Posts: 467
Here is a breakdown of the 178 Aircraft Mesa fleet:
20 Beech 1900D's
16 Leased DHC 8's
2 Owned CRJ-200's
46 Leased CRJ-200's
8 Owned CRJ-700's
12 Leased CRJ-700's
14 Owned CRJ-900's
24 Leased CRJ-900's
36 Leased ERJ 145's
Total: 178
38 CRJ-900's, 8 CRJ-200's, and 6 Dash-8's are flying as USAirways Express.
20 CRJ-700's, 18 CRJ-200's and 10 Dash-8's remained flying as United Express on Jan. 5th, 2010.
The contract for the United Express CRJ-200's and Dash-8's expires in April, 2010.
(The addition of 10 optional CRJ-700's to the contract is under litigation).
22 ERJ's are flying under a court injunction as Delta Connection on the Freedom Airlines certificate.
5 CRJ-200's are flying as GO!/Mokulele.
Hypothetical Results:
On December 31st, 2009, there were 1085 active pilots on the roster and 50 on LOA. There were 127 aircraft in operation or 8.54 pilots per aircraft (This includes management pilots and instructors).
After April there will be only 99 aircraft flying (38 900's, 20 700's, 13 200's, 6 Dash 8's, and 22 ERJ's). If the 8.54 pilot/aircraft ratio holds, then approximately 842 pilots would be required.
If Mesa's reorganization plan includes a CRJ-700/900 fleet, GO!/Mokulele and Freedom/Delta Connection, then there would be 85 aircraft or approximately 726 pilots required.
If Mesa finds a way to add the 10 optional United Express CRJ-700's, that would require approximately 85 pilots bringing the total pilots required back up to approximately 811.
If Mesa's reorganization plan doesn't include the Freedom/Delta Connection aircraft or the 10 optional United Express 700's, then there would be 63 aircraft or approximately 539 pilots required.
Don't forget that this is all hypothetical and there are many more scenarios that could be discussed. Nobody knows what the final outcome of the bankruptcy will be and I have no way of knowing what sort of staffing levels would be implemented.
Remember also that there are over 3400 total employees at Mesa Air Group.
Good luck to all...
winglet
Last edited by winglet; 02-02-2010 at 06:36 AM.
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