Mesa Air Group Chapter 11 Info
#1431
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
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MAG will not be in a position to buy. They will however, have a fleet vey attractive to a buyer. Mes thinks Mesa will become a US wholly owned and combine fleets with PSA. US will pay UA the early out fee on Mesa's 700s and JO will get Go on a separate cert and run it with an exclusive inter island code share in exchange for funding.
#1432
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Joined APC: Dec 2010
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Rambling
Skywest buying Mesa looks better than the XJT buyout. 20 CRJ 700 for United, All the 900's and the US Airways contract. Not many fifty seaters left. ( I believe ten ). I think the investers want there money back and with the regional market falling off it's best to take the money and run. The 900's are the most fuel and cost efficient airplanes out there and with US Airways scope clause will be around longer than most other airplanes. If the pilot shortage is true, that will even worsen the regional market do to the lack of pilots to fly 50 seaters. I think after bankruptcy, believe it or not, Mesa is in the best position to make money. But Mesa will have a huge problem keeping their pilots due to the lack of upgrades. The top 300 of the seniority list are staying, they have been there for 15 plus years. Probably no new growth and most all of the FO's here are downgraded captains. We have the PIC and the experience so as soon as the Legacy and other doors open were gone. We still lost 48 in Oct. and Nov. without any major hiring. Mesa doesn't have the capitol to buy Comair. Plus all those fifty seaters Comair has would not be a smart investment. Plus we have already ****ed off Delta and they would be the only ones to sign a long term contract for those aircraft. I think Mesa will be done within the next year or so. Either absorbed by US Airways who already owns 10% of the stock or a buyout by another regional in which Skywest would be the best fit.
#1433
Unfortunately the holders of common stock are the last in line to recoup their claims (after creditors and bondholders). MAG's old stock will be cancelled and new common stock issued.
Occasionally, a reorganization involves common stock shareholders recovering a very small percentage of their investment through the receipt of new common stock or they may receive another form of payoff (notes etc). In this case though, with such massive debt there likely will be nothing left for the basic holders of common stock.
There are multiple classes of allowed claims that will recieve new stock, warrants and/or notes but unfortunately your average-joe-stock-investor will see nothing of their investment. Sorry if you still hold. Good luck...
winglet
Last edited by winglet; 01-23-2011 at 03:27 PM.
#1435
UPSAv8tr,
Unfortunately the holders of common stock are the last in line to recoup their claims (after creditors and bondholders). MAG's old stock will be cancelled and new common stock issued.
Occasionally, a reorganization involves common stock shareholders recovering a very small percentage of their investment through the receipt of new common stock or they may receive another form of payoff (notes etc). In this case though, with such massive debt there likely will be nothing left for the basic holders of common stock.
There are multiple classes of allowed claims that will recieve new stock, warrants and/or notes but unfortunately your average-joe-stock-investor will see nothing of their investment. Sorry if you still hold. Good luck...
winglet
Unfortunately the holders of common stock are the last in line to recoup their claims (after creditors and bondholders). MAG's old stock will be cancelled and new common stock issued.
Occasionally, a reorganization involves common stock shareholders recovering a very small percentage of their investment through the receipt of new common stock or they may receive another form of payoff (notes etc). In this case though, with such massive debt there likely will be nothing left for the basic holders of common stock.
There are multiple classes of allowed claims that will recieve new stock, warrants and/or notes but unfortunately your average-joe-stock-investor will see nothing of their investment. Sorry if you still hold. Good luck...
winglet
#1436
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Joined APC: Oct 2006
Posts: 43
Which airlines agents?
Which employee group?
Do you know someone on a personal level in JAX?
Is it possible that DGS is going to take over the United Express contract there? That would make sense regarding Delta folks being trained on Mesa flights. I am not saying that that is happening but I can’t seem to confirm what you are saying. This JAX to CVG doesn’t make sense. Especially without agents knowing anything about it. That’s a Delta route.
Thanks
A-V-8
#1437
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Joined APC: Feb 2010
Position: Phoenix
Posts: 732
I spoke with three separate JAX agents this morning. None of them have been trained on Mesa flights and knew nothing about this. Can you be more specific?
Which airlines agents?
Which employee group?
Do you know someone on a personal level in JAX?
Is it possible that DGS is going to take over the United Express contract there? That would make sense regarding Delta folks being trained on Mesa flights. I am not saying that that is happening but I can’t seem to confirm what you are saying. This JAX to CVG doesn’t make sense. Especially without agents knowing anything about it. That’s a Delta route.
Thanks
A-V-8
Which airlines agents?
Which employee group?
Do you know someone on a personal level in JAX?
Is it possible that DGS is going to take over the United Express contract there? That would make sense regarding Delta folks being trained on Mesa flights. I am not saying that that is happening but I can’t seem to confirm what you are saying. This JAX to CVG doesn’t make sense. Especially without agents knowing anything about it. That’s a Delta route.
Thanks
A-V-8
#1438
I spoke with three separate JAX agents this morning. None of them have been trained on Mesa flights and knew nothing about this. Can you be more specific?
Which airlines agents?
Which employee group?
Do you know someone on a personal level in JAX?
Is it possible that DGS is going to take over the United Express contract there? That would make sense regarding Delta folks being trained on Mesa flights. I am not saying that that is happening but I can’t seem to confirm what you are saying. This JAX to CVG doesn’t make sense. Especially without agents knowing anything about it. That’s a Delta route.
Thanks
A-V-8
Which airlines agents?
Which employee group?
Do you know someone on a personal level in JAX?
Is it possible that DGS is going to take over the United Express contract there? That would make sense regarding Delta folks being trained on Mesa flights. I am not saying that that is happening but I can’t seem to confirm what you are saying. This JAX to CVG doesn’t make sense. Especially without agents knowing anything about it. That’s a Delta route.
Thanks
A-V-8
#1439
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Joined APC: Oct 2006
Posts: 43
To answer your questions, Delta Ticket/Gate agent and the person is a friend of mine for many years. I never cared enough to ask who has gone through the training or why I just assumed it has been something they added to their yearly airline training. FYI the Jax-CVG route is a Delta mainine and Delta Connection route (Comair)
#1440
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Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: B757/767
Posts: 13,088
DAL is parking 50 seaters. They have no interest in signing new 50 seat contracts, especially considering they took Mesa to court to terminate the 50 seat contract early. Comair is being reduced to just 44 airplanes, only 16 will be CRJ200's.
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