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Old 01-19-2010, 06:19 AM
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Flightglobal article:
Mesa Feels the Squeeze

Dallas Morning News article with a good breakdown on planned fleet reduction numbers:
Some more details from Mesa Air's bankruptcy filing

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Interesting that OJ says he doesn't plan on seeking cash...only shedding aircraft lease obligations. He might have trouble finding cash anyway.
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* Lotz's affidavit said that many of the aircraft were leased for periods longer than the code-sharing agreements with the larger airlines, opening up Mesa to risks that it could lose a partner or its partner wanted fewer or different airplanes on renewal.
"These risks were recognized at the time these aircraft were leased but given the fundamental changes to the aviation industry and the more recent downturn in the credit markets during the past year, it was not foreseeable that demand for certain regional aircraft would literally evaporate in less than three years," the affidavit said.


That sums it up right there. Poor management, greed and bottom feeding to the point where UA didn't need to dump their RJs but did anyways.
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I don't like to defend Mesa but they're not the only company who did is doing or has done that (get leases longer than a CPA was for.)
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Old 01-19-2010, 06:57 PM
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Mesa submitted a motion today for authorization to assume the amended Delta code-share agreement.

On a case-by-case basis, bankruptcy code allows for the assumption (affirmation and acceptance) or rejection (termination and surrender) of executory contracts prior to submission of a reorganization plan . This move makes it possible to force the issue out of the distict court into an assumption, rejection or settlement of the contract.

See: Section 365 of the Bankruptcy Code

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* Lotz's affidavit said that many of the aircraft were leased for periods longer than the code-sharing agreements with the larger airlines, opening up Mesa to risks that it could lose a partner or its partner wanted fewer or different airplanes on renewal.
"These risks were recognized at the time these aircraft were leased but given the fundamental changes to the aviation industry and the more recent downturn in the credit markets during the past year, it was not foreseeable that demand for certain regional aircraft would literally evaporate in less than three years," the affidavit said.


That sums it up right there. Poor management, greed and bottom feeding to the point where UA didn't need to dump their RJs but did anyways.
No operator of "regional" aircraft is immune to the elimination of the 50 seater. Mesa is just the beginning I'm afraid.

Here is a good September 2009 Airline Business article that addresses the issue: US Regionals Feeling the Squeeze

And more from Europe: Eurowings axing hundreds of jobs to focus on CRJ900 ops

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Originally Posted by winglet
Mesa submitted a motion today for authorization to assume the amended Delta code-share agreement.

On a case-by-case basis, bankruptcy code allows for the assumption (affirmation and acceptance) or rejection (termination and surrender) of executory contracts prior to submission of a reorganization plan . This move makes it possible to force the issue out of the distict court into an assumption, rejection or settlement of the contract.

See: Section 365 of the Bankruptcy Code

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So from my understanding of this, Mesa is trying to figure out whether Delta plans to keep, cancel or modify its contract so they can take that into account in their reorganization plan?
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So from my understanding of this, Mesa is trying to figure out whether Delta plans to keep, cancel or modify its contract so they can take that into account in their reorganization plan?
Affirmative. It's a risky move intended to force Delta's hand one way or another.

1. Assumed = $$$
2. Rejected = 0
3. Settled = $$$
4. ?

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* Lotz's affidavit said that many of the aircraft were leased for periods longer than the code-sharing agreements with the larger airlines, opening up Mesa to risks that it could lose a partner or its partner wanted fewer or different airplanes on renewal.
"These risks were recognized at the time these aircraft were leased but given the fundamental changes to the aviation industry and the more recent downturn in the credit markets during the past year, it was not foreseeable that demand for certain regional aircraft would literally evaporate in less than three years," the affidavit said.


That sums it up right there. Poor management, greed and bottom feeding to the point where UA didn't need to dump their RJs but did anyways.
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I don't like to defend Mesa but they're not the only company who did is doing or has done that (get leases longer than a CPA was for.)
I have no sympathy for Mesa. They took on longer leases, probably so they could get lower rates than others bidding on the flying. No sympathy for that choice.

I just have this funny recollection of a company called ACA that Mesa bid against to secure this UAL flying and help drive ACA out of business. I wouldn't be surprised that part of the reason Mesa was able to underbid ACA was cheaper lease rates they secured for having those airplanes beyond the CPA with UAL.
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Nice screen name winglets.

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Nice screen name winglets.

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