theHub

Nice to see Mesa getting MILLIONS when PDT gets absolutely nothing. They get upgrades for 10 year old airframes, and ACARS, and ours are falling apart and about to time out. The Dash 8 interiors are embarrassing, and we can't get anything fixed. This is so frustrating.

theHub

"US Airways has a phased Term Extension Option with redelivery dates of April 1, 2015 to March 31, 2016." What does this mean?

BSOuthisplace

This allows US Airways to slowly phase out Mesa, so the flying won't have to be replaced all at one time.

SpiraMirabilis

Maybe it is standard procedure at Mesa to have the "out" time be the closing of the main cabin door. I do not know about the CRJ but on the Dash-8 at Mesa that IS the time we used, and on the Dash-8's with ACARS that is how the ACARS unit computes the time-- when the FA closes the door.

Maybe there should be uniform policies about this across US Airways.

It is not as though PSA and PDT don't cheat with their times, as I've seen them do it. It isn't as though having an ACARS stops you if you know how to work the box.

meyers9163

Actually it does. On PSA Crj200s there's absolutely no way to change the times. On the Crj700 the only time you can change times is if the ACARS doesn't kick on pushback. However you can bet they monitor all doors closed to change those times. If a door is popped it restarts the time (I.e gate agent forgot something and you reopen the cabin door to add a bag total etc.) We are audited pretty bad on our times when we "call" an out time on a Crj700 and most just don't care for the hassel to change the time...

So summary 200 no way. 700 if the push doesn't trigger acars you can send a time. But off, on, and in times never change... And if you call an out time you best make it honest as the company will look into making sure it was legit... Can't change the numbers...

Now you have a point. Itd be nice to be the same. PSA is door closed, beacon on and push to trigger our times. Awac is door closed beacon on, PDT doors closed (nothing monitors the time that door closes?), and Mesa is whenever they currently feel like calling...

ripster36

Simple ..... "Ye who gets the JOB DONE" (JOB DONE-- this is important, quit whining about OUT times) with the least amount of *****ing and moaning for a reasonable price, gets the work... So sick of of being chastised for being MESA who "fudges" times because we are held hostage at every hub by the "wholly (sp) owned" carriers ground crews who are understaffed and don't have the manpower to push us on time.... We collectively get people where they need to go ON TIME (read the stats)... Granted we are not perfect, but I'm tired of being **** on in these forums.....

winglet

Out Time Envy:

A severe condition that develops when pilots feel they are not in control of their own out times. Often a reactionary symptom of misguided micromanagement. Similar to Crew Meal Envy and related to Prioritized Understaffed Outsourced Competitor Ramp Personnel Syndrome.

Clinical studies have shown that when pilots are treated very poorly by their management they often devolve into caged rodents, become irritable and attack their peers for trivial reasons. Recommended treatment is anger redirection therapy. This therapy teaches these suffering pilots to learn how to direct their anger at the source of their frustration. Namely their own total lack of ability to control their mundane lives .

winglet

p.s. US Airways ranks by Arrival time.

CaptKrunch

Does this mean PSA and PDT can start lieing about our times then lecture you on how great we are? I am sick of our MGT telling us we need to work harder because Mesa has better on time numbers just to watch them blatently lie about their times. I have personaly watched Mesa crews call out 15-20 mins earlier than they actualy pushed. I was told to wait for a Mesa crew to push next door and when I looked over they had a freakin wheel off and a MX truck behind it. I know its not all crews that do this however those that do give Mesa a bad name. I understand thats how you guys get paid. I am all for any pilot getting paid, thats why PSA gets the 10 and hold. And to you saying you have to deal with PDT ground crews making you late? Who do you think PSA, Whiskey and PDT use? Its not like those lazy ground crews work any harder for a PDT dash or a RJ.

theHub

Time should be started at door close to comply with the new On Board Delay Program. That's what we do at PDT and the new (old technology) TAMDAR we are supposed to have up and running someday will do just that, door to door, at least that is what was said in my last CQ in Sep. Only reason we even get TAMDAR is because the research company is paying for the equipment and installation. Pretty sad.

LostInPA

Your frustration is well understood. However, like you said, "Ye who gets the JOB DONE". If your company could provide more effective, reliable, quicker, and/or more cost effective ground service in PHL/CLT to replace those 'wholly owned' ramp crews who evidently do such a dreadful job, please do suggest that your management consider bidding for those contracts. Heck, I don't think most of the hub rampers could even tell you the carrier who operates the RJ/Dash/etc without looking at the logo by the door. It's not some vast conspiracy against YV.

I think Winglet summed up the situation the best.