Mesa CRJ speed below 10,000
10-22-2009, 06:46 PM
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Mesa didn't have a whole lot of CRJ flights into Denver. Are you positive it was a CRJ?
180kts is the rough air speed for the Dash-8 200 IFIRC, and knowing summers in Denver turbulence is a given. In the 2008 summer we had a flight attendant break her neck (she lived) and a captain get a concussion due to sudden severe turbulence over Larks on the arrival into DEN.
There are some new FOs on the CRJ, but they're only new to the CRJ because they used to be Dash-8 captains.
180kts is the rough air speed for the Dash-8 200 IFIRC, and knowing summers in Denver turbulence is a given. In the 2008 summer we had a flight attendant break her neck (she lived) and a captain get a concussion due to sudden severe turbulence over Larks on the arrival into DEN.
There are some new FOs on the CRJ, but they're only new to the CRJ because they used to be Dash-8 captains.
10-22-2009, 07:25 PM
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10-22-2009, 09:59 PM
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This post is nothing but a passive-agressive attempt to stir the pot. Of course there is no memo mandating we fly at 180 Kts below 10k, and you know that. If I remember correctly you fly for SKW Tony.... this thread is obviously not to ask a serious question, but to backhandedly insult Mesa pilots.
No, actually it was a pretty simple question, brought to my attention by one of my NATCA brothers. I don't work for SkW currently, by the way. Also, I don't give a sh*t about Mesa, either for or against.
I'm not very "passive".
You must have some pretty talkative sources in ATC. Care to mention names? I've never heard this complaint...
News flash... you would not have had to been aware of the complaint for it to be one. Who made the complaint would be none of your business.
Finally, not that you asked, but I was an ATC'er for two decades; Oakland Center (10 years), SoCal Approach (4 years), Camarillo Tower (6 years). Also a NATCA (labor union) facility rep, legislative activist, and member. Ya, I know a few "talkative sources".
This level of discourse on this board never ceases to amaze me.
Tailwinds always,
Tony
10-22-2009, 10:06 PM
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No, you are wrong. See the bold section below (Emphasis added)........
b. When an operational advantage will be
realized, speeds lower than the recommended
minima may be applied.
c. To arrival aircraft operating below 10,000 feet:
1. Turbojet aircraft. A speed not less than
210 knots; except when the aircraft is within 20 flying
miles of the runway threshold of the airport of
intended landing, a speed not less than 170 knots.
b. When an operational advantage will be
realized, speeds lower than the recommended
minima may be applied.
c. To arrival aircraft operating below 10,000 feet:
1. Turbojet aircraft. A speed not less than
210 knots; except when the aircraft is within 20 flying
miles of the runway threshold of the airport of
intended landing, a speed not less than 170 knots.
Ok, I'm wrong. Thanks, hugs and kisses, Tony
10-22-2009, 11:28 PM
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Well then allow me to provide to a simple answer to his concern. What sector is he working? Maybe there is a good explanation as to why guys are slowing. I may be able to provide that explanation if I know the sector of airspace he's working.
10-23-2009, 07:57 AM
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No thanks. I think we rounded up the logical explanations. Case closed.
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