MasterOfPuppets

United spent 25 years flying RJs into competitors Hubs while those competitors flew their biggest Domestic aircraft on the same routes. Qualye has stated on several occasions to employees and investors that they will no longer fly RJs from one big city to another especially if that city is a hub.

If I’m eating crow it is because our Senior VP of route planning and CEO were lying to us in OCT……do I trust them or JO???? I think I’m going to trust my guys. Unless Mesa intends to begin and end everytirp in and out of DFW and PHX with a DH those bases are D-U-N

GPullR

No more 76 seater are allowed with united. They gave to be 50 seaters.

pangolin

This is what anyone with a brain expects to happen. I don't expect to stay on the 900 - I expect to go to the 175. A DFW base (small) is still possible as we already fly numerous flights per day - just start and end in DFW. It won't be the same SIZE as the current base, but it can be a base. Nobody says the bases will be the same size.

black cat

Numerous flights a day? For tomorrow flightstats shows there are 10 United departures out of DFW. All but 1 of those are operated by mainline. PHX has a similar minuscule amount of UAL departures. Between this and the fact that UAL's scope agreement prevent the 900s from flying for UAL, it should be obvious that JO is just blatantly lying to buy time to try to figure out some Hail Mary play. You don't have to be a top tier data analyst to read the writing on the walls for this situation.

MasterOfPuppets

look at United.com all flights to every United Hub from DFW next summer is mainline. There are ZERO express flights to book.

as far as PHX goes there are 2 flights to LAX and 1 to SFO flown by Skywest. How will Mesa get pilots into the system by going to LAX and SFO in a 900?

amcnd

Guess the question needing answered is do the parked (do to staffing) 175’s count against scope..

pangolin

PHX works - there can be out stations that operate line crew bases. Mesa does this with SDF presently. It increased productivity. DFW and PHX work for the same reason - these bases will be SMALL. There's talk of a DEN base as well as an IAH CRJ base. I think PHX and DFW will shrink. I don't expect to hold DFW any longer. Oh well things change. But bringing the 900's temporarily (the 76 seaters) will not violate scope at UA so long as eqyivalant 76 seaters are parked. No reason for the UAL MEC to object. We will train the CRJ pilots on the ERJ and just re-add the ERJ As we remove CRJs. This is a win for UA because they get increased flying immediately Mesa gets nearly full utilization of their pilots as they cross train to the ERJ. Win/Win - with very little negative downside. We can staff about 25 CRJ's and are currently flying under 30 for AA. 11 of these planes are fairly new low MX birds. Even if we only bring on 10 CRJ 900s - we can fly parked 700;s and 550s that GoJet cannot staff. This really isn't unrealistic.

Some things that are unrealistic.

Keeping the bases the same sizes.
Keeping the 900s for very long.

Ravenwing

Horizon is parking their Q400s and Envoy is parking their E-145s. There is no reason Mesa can’t survive a forced retirement of their CRJ-900s.

That said, JO has closed plenty of pilot bases over the years and won’t hesitate to do it again. He is probably trying to prevent a mass panic because he doesn’t want more pilots leaving before the American flying spools down. Just because he says a deal is in the works doesn’t mean that United will agree on even a temporary basis.

PorkyMcFuzz

Get those resumes polished up, why would you sit around waiting for an email telling you “we tried our best but we have decided to wind down operations”

JO will tell you it’s all looking great and exciting big plans ahead right up til the morning they close the doors on you and kick you to the sidewalk. Refer to Compass/Express Jet in the recent past. The guys who bailed out early suffered significantly less stress than the hanger ons who rode it to the last day.

MasterOfPuppets

SDF is not DFW and PHX. United can’t compete with a CRJ against A321s flown by AA and 737s flown by Southwest. Hell it can’t even compete against F9 and NK with that product.

less than 10 first class seats into major metro areas?

flying RJs into other airlines hubs is why United has sucked for the last 20 years. You want to
lose your premium passengers? Put a crap airline that can’t staff and a crap airplane that’s poorly maintained on a major route. Face it DFW and PHX are gone.