Mesa 4.0 what’s the latest
04-19-2021, 07:33 AM
#302
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Position: Widget FO
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I think getting rid of all regionals and moving them in house would be best. Try explaining that to shareholders and management as they laugh on the way to the bank. We need ZERO regionals. But since that won’t happen, we need the cockroaches at the bottom to stop flying for pennies on the dollar and act like they’re worth something. It affects the whole industry to scalp the bottom
04-19-2021, 07:57 AM
#303
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Joined APC: Jul 2017
Position: CRJ9 CA
Posts: 4,083
If you don’t see what I did there maybe you saw something else. Look harder.
04-19-2021, 10:23 AM
#304
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Joined APC: Dec 2017
Position: Widget FO
Posts: 487
unfortunately yes that’s the risk you take. Luckily doesn’t look like many of us that want to move on will get stuck here with the way the industry is turning around. However I would not be happy being a lifer at Mesa. I’d much rather be a lifer at horizon or Skywest if I HAD to be a lifer.
04-19-2021, 10:23 AM
#305
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Joined APC: Aug 2010
Posts: 162
Mesa 4.0 what’s the latest
I think what really kills me is that everybody sort of just accepts that Mesa “is what it is”. I understand the Mesa business model and I get how JO and mgmt operates. Good for them, I think it helped us get through Covid.
But the reason Mesa “is what it is” predominantly rests on the pilot group. Look at the exchange above. Instead of saying yeah our reserve rules are terrible we should really try to fix that in this contract, everybody’s jumping over each other to try and find a single airline with arguably worse rules so we can say we’re not at the bottom.
That’s why we continue to have terrible pay and work rules. I don’t expect to see some industry leading contract come out but as a pilot group we should at least act like that’s a possibility when we step to the table.
You can still be a bare-bones airline and survive the lean times without having a horrible contract. The ULCC’s do it all the time. I’m not saying we should ask for 5 star hotels and major-level pay, but we should have enough respect for ourselves as highly invested professionals to not let the company take three days off from you because you use your vacation. That kind of stuff has to stop. And it stops when the pilot group stops accepting subpar contracts.
This year has been horrible and they’re going to try to use that to justify whatever drivel they put out, but that’s not the story. The story is we were profitable through it and, more importantly things are about to turn around in a huge way. I hope people will keep that in mind throughout the negotiation process.
But the reason Mesa “is what it is” predominantly rests on the pilot group. Look at the exchange above. Instead of saying yeah our reserve rules are terrible we should really try to fix that in this contract, everybody’s jumping over each other to try and find a single airline with arguably worse rules so we can say we’re not at the bottom.
That’s why we continue to have terrible pay and work rules. I don’t expect to see some industry leading contract come out but as a pilot group we should at least act like that’s a possibility when we step to the table.
You can still be a bare-bones airline and survive the lean times without having a horrible contract. The ULCC’s do it all the time. I’m not saying we should ask for 5 star hotels and major-level pay, but we should have enough respect for ourselves as highly invested professionals to not let the company take three days off from you because you use your vacation. That kind of stuff has to stop. And it stops when the pilot group stops accepting subpar contracts.
This year has been horrible and they’re going to try to use that to justify whatever drivel they put out, but that’s not the story. The story is we were profitable through it and, more importantly things are about to turn around in a huge way. I hope people will keep that in mind throughout the negotiation process.
04-19-2021, 10:29 AM
#306
What's a weekend?
Joined APC: Dec 2017
Position: Widget FO
Posts: 487
I think what really kills me is that everybody sort of just accepts that Mesa “is what it is”. I understand the Mesa business model and I get how JO and mgmt operates. Good for them, I think it helped us get through Covid.
But the reason Mesa “is what it is” predominantly rests on the pilot group. Look at the exchange above. Instead of saying yeah our reserve rules are terrible we should really try to fix that in this contract, everybody’s jumping over each other to try and find a single airline with arguably worse rules so we can say we’re not at the bottom.
That’s why we continue to have terrible pay and work rules. I don’t expect to see some industry leading contract come out but as a pilot group we should at least act like that’s a possibility when we step to the table.
You can still be a bare-bones airline and survive the lean times without having a horrible contract. The ULCC’s do it all the time. I’m not saying we should ask for 5 star hotels and major-level pay, but we should have enough respect for ourselves as highly invested professionals to not let the company take three days off from you because you use your vacation. That kind of stuff has to stop. And it stops when the pilot group stops accepting subpar contracts.
This year has been horrible and they’re going to try to use that to justify whatever dribble they put out, but that’s not the story. The story is we were profitable through it and, more importantly things are about to turn around in a huge way. I hope people will keep that in mind throughout the negotiation process.
But the reason Mesa “is what it is” predominantly rests on the pilot group. Look at the exchange above. Instead of saying yeah our reserve rules are terrible we should really try to fix that in this contract, everybody’s jumping over each other to try and find a single airline with arguably worse rules so we can say we’re not at the bottom.
That’s why we continue to have terrible pay and work rules. I don’t expect to see some industry leading contract come out but as a pilot group we should at least act like that’s a possibility when we step to the table.
You can still be a bare-bones airline and survive the lean times without having a horrible contract. The ULCC’s do it all the time. I’m not saying we should ask for 5 star hotels and major-level pay, but we should have enough respect for ourselves as highly invested professionals to not let the company take three days off from you because you use your vacation. That kind of stuff has to stop. And it stops when the pilot group stops accepting subpar contracts.
This year has been horrible and they’re going to try to use that to justify whatever dribble they put out, but that’s not the story. The story is we were profitable through it and, more importantly things are about to turn around in a huge way. I hope people will keep that in mind throughout the negotiation process.
04-19-2021, 01:17 PM
#307
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Joined APC: Aug 2019
Posts: 195
Absolutely zero. For a lot of them, this is a “second career, I’m doing this for fun.” Last senior guy I flew with bragged to me about how much they doesn’t even need this job. I bet he voted yes for concessions since they don’t really need the job.
04-19-2021, 09:13 PM
#308
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Joined APC: Jul 2017
Position: CRJ9 CA
Posts: 4,083
I think what really kills me is that everybody sort of just accepts that Mesa “is what it is”. I understand the Mesa business model and I get how JO and mgmt operates. Good for them, I think it helped us get through Covid.
But the reason Mesa “is what it is” predominantly rests on the pilot group. Look at the exchange above. Instead of saying yeah our reserve rules are terrible we should really try to fix that in this contract, everybody’s jumping over each other to try and find a single airline with arguably worse rules so we can say we’re not at the bottom.
That’s why we continue to have terrible pay and work rules. I don’t expect to see some industry leading contract come out but as a pilot group we should at least act like that’s a possibility when we step to the table.
You can still be a bare-bones airline and survive the lean times without having a horrible contract. The ULCC’s do it all the time. I’m not saying we should ask for 5 star hotels and major-level pay, but we should have enough respect for ourselves as highly invested professionals to not let the company take three days off from you because you use your vacation. That kind of stuff has to stop. And it stops when the pilot group stops accepting subpar contracts.
This year has been horrible and they’re going to try to use that to justify whatever drivel they put out, but that’s not the story. The story is we were profitable through it and, more importantly things are about to turn around in a huge way. I hope people will keep that in mind throughout the negotiation process.
But the reason Mesa “is what it is” predominantly rests on the pilot group. Look at the exchange above. Instead of saying yeah our reserve rules are terrible we should really try to fix that in this contract, everybody’s jumping over each other to try and find a single airline with arguably worse rules so we can say we’re not at the bottom.
That’s why we continue to have terrible pay and work rules. I don’t expect to see some industry leading contract come out but as a pilot group we should at least act like that’s a possibility when we step to the table.
You can still be a bare-bones airline and survive the lean times without having a horrible contract. The ULCC’s do it all the time. I’m not saying we should ask for 5 star hotels and major-level pay, but we should have enough respect for ourselves as highly invested professionals to not let the company take three days off from you because you use your vacation. That kind of stuff has to stop. And it stops when the pilot group stops accepting subpar contracts.
This year has been horrible and they’re going to try to use that to justify whatever drivel they put out, but that’s not the story. The story is we were profitable through it and, more importantly things are about to turn around in a huge way. I hope people will keep that in mind throughout the negotiation process.
I am impressed with the comparisons and communication from the MEC. There’s some good analysis going on there.
04-20-2021, 11:32 AM
#309
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Joined APC: Jan 2016
Posts: 450
I think what really kills me is that everybody sort of just accepts that Mesa “is what it is”. I understand the Mesa business model and I get how JO and mgmt operates. Good for them, I think it helped us get through Covid.
But the reason Mesa “is what it is” predominantly rests on the pilot group. Look at the exchange above. Instead of saying yeah our reserve rules are terrible we should really try to fix that in this contract, everybody’s jumping over each other to try and find a single airline with arguably worse rules so we can say we’re not at the bottom.
That’s why we continue to have terrible pay and work rules. I don’t expect to see some industry leading contract come out but as a pilot group we should at least act like that’s a possibility when we step to the table.
You can still be a bare-bones airline and survive the lean times without having a horrible contract. The ULCC’s do it all the time. I’m not saying we should ask for 5 star hotels and major-level pay, but we should have enough respect for ourselves as highly invested professionals to not let the company take three days off from you because you use your vacation. That kind of stuff has to stop. And it stops when the pilot group stops accepting subpar contracts.
This year has been horrible and they’re going to try to use that to justify whatever drivel they put out, but that’s not the story. The story is we were profitable through it and, more importantly things are about to turn around in a huge way. I hope people will keep that in mind throughout the negotiation process.
But the reason Mesa “is what it is” predominantly rests on the pilot group. Look at the exchange above. Instead of saying yeah our reserve rules are terrible we should really try to fix that in this contract, everybody’s jumping over each other to try and find a single airline with arguably worse rules so we can say we’re not at the bottom.
That’s why we continue to have terrible pay and work rules. I don’t expect to see some industry leading contract come out but as a pilot group we should at least act like that’s a possibility when we step to the table.
You can still be a bare-bones airline and survive the lean times without having a horrible contract. The ULCC’s do it all the time. I’m not saying we should ask for 5 star hotels and major-level pay, but we should have enough respect for ourselves as highly invested professionals to not let the company take three days off from you because you use your vacation. That kind of stuff has to stop. And it stops when the pilot group stops accepting subpar contracts.
This year has been horrible and they’re going to try to use that to justify whatever drivel they put out, but that’s not the story. The story is we were profitable through it and, more importantly things are about to turn around in a huge way. I hope people will keep that in mind throughout the negotiation process.
04-20-2021, 07:20 PM
#310
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Joined APC: Jul 2017
Position: CRJ9 CA
Posts: 4,083
BINGO!!! We have too many Mesa tools here who will vote yes to any pile of sshhiiiitttttt management puts out...like the MOU. Mesa is what it is because these idiots vote yes to total junk. Our contract is hands down the worst in the industry. People need to learn to vote NO around here.
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