punchline

Cool thanks. One more thing... I thought Mesa was not AQP? Just the standard oral checkride+practical right after.

However on the Paper it breaks down the schedule as if it were AQP. You have a indoc written, Systems written, touch screen evaluation, oral checkride, then practical checkride all on separate days

pangolin

I don’t know what’s so confusing to you. I do have a personal stake. The wallet you want to impact is mine. Bottom line we will lose money with a no vote. It won’t be made up before the amenable date with the time it will take to negotiate and the amount more we can expect to get. It’s just math.

pangolin

PHX base? Can be awarded in training at this point.

Maybe they want SDF? Also a given in training.

Little to no time sitting reserve. That’s back for FOs now on the crj.

18 yo flight attendants. Careful there bud.

kevin18

This seems contradictory to your previous post, unless I’m misremembering it.

You’re only losing money if you vote no and leave in a short time, as defined by a year or so for this purpose. Otherwise you’ll get that money back with better pay, and hopefully work rules that should have been in there in the first place IMO.

If you’re staying, or voting like you’re staying, then you only stand to gain so long as you have patience. JO recently stated at a cadet meeting that this contract was done in record time, only a few months. That’s because management didn’t even bother showing up to first few months. If this gets voted down they’ll be at the table immediately, they have to be.

As someone who stands to lose money I’m still a no here. This contract isn’t trash. It’s worse, it’s disrespectful.

Put us, at a minimum that I would be willing to take, 8% below the WO pay rates. That’s a huge discount to the carriers we provide service to. I’m not even talking about the 150% pay structure they currently have. I know that’s a pipe dream. Every contract we sign should have a “me too” clause that chains us to their pay rates. That and an improved work rules are the only way I’ll ever be a yes to any contract here. It maintains the discount for AA and UA. It’s an interesting time to be providing service to those two in particular, they’re at each other’s throats.

My timetable on a renegotiation is less than six months. I think that’s generous given the need for the company to get this thing done. It’ll take a year to get the money lost back after it’s signed if we get what we’re due.

punchline

This post I made seemed to just appear right this moment

pangolin

The new hire exodus to the WOs has already begun.

Aeronaut55

And it will continue. You say the money isn’t there? United and American won’t match it, but they can do better than 53%. They can’t replace our planes and pilots instantaneously. They will need to come to the table with more immediately. If they really feel we are worth 53% they won’t care how cheap we are and will continue phasing us out of their operation anyway.

As a side note, there are people on our seniority list who left 6 months ago. People resigned and their names are still not removed. Funny or scary..not sure which. How many are actually left….

dmspilot

That is not AQP. The FAA lets the 121 world do orals and checkrides on different days. The other evaluations are part of the training program. Just because it's not AQP doesn't mean it's done like Part 61.

SpeedyT

True. Some new hires left for them and say not worth their time here. Even with Aviate, its just a marketing gimmick. Just follow where the money goes cause your just losing out on retirement.

pangolin

PM me some emp numbers. I’ll see what’s up.