HumbleSiPilot77

I am in the same boat brother, relax, I just read the whole section from the said document. Have you applied while at Mesa and got TBNT? If not, you aren't done yet.

G. Applying to Aviate if the Candidate Has Previously Applied

A Candidate will only be permitted two Attempts (as defined below) to join United as a pilot, whether through Aviate, a prior CPP, and/or United’s traditional pilot hiring process, subject to the following:

1. Candidates (*) who have previously Attempted to join Aviate through the University Entry Point, Professional Flight Training Entry Point, Experience-Build Entry Point, or United Aviate Family Programs Entry Point but were unsuccessful in their first Attempt remain eligible to:

a. apply to Aviate for their second Attempt through the University Entry Point, Professional Flight Training Entry Point, Experience-Build Entry Point, or United Aviate Family Programs Entry Point, provided that such Candidates wait at least 12 calendar months and accumulate an additional 500 flight hours after their first failed Attempt; or

b. obtain employment at a participating United Express carrier and opt in to Aviate through the UAX Entry Point; or

c. apply to United through United’s traditional pilot hiring process, provided that such Candidates wait at least 12 calendar months after their first failed Attempt.

(*)This Section (G)(1) applies to Candidates who had not completed their initial operating experience (IOE) at a Part 121 carrier prior to Attempting to join Aviate and completed a Technical Readiness Review (TRR) during their interview process but were unsuccessful in their first Attempt.

What @golfandflows quoted is the next section after this;

2. Candidates (*) who have previously Attempted to join Aviate through the UAX Entry Point, a prior CPP, or United through United’s traditional pilot hiring process but were unsuccessful in their first Attempt are not eligible to apply, or opt in, to Aviate but remain eligible to apply to United through United’s traditional pilot hiring process, provided that such Candidates wait at least 12 calendar months after their first failed Attempt.

(*) This Section (G)(2) applies to Candidates who had completed their initial operating experience (IOE) at a Part 121 carrier prior to Attempting to join Aviate and completed a Technical Skills Assessment (TSA) during their interview process but were unsuccessful in their first Attempt.

“Attempt” or “Attempted” means completing an interview, or scheduling an interview but failing to appear for such interview, for Aviate, any prior CPP, or United through United’s traditional pilot hiring process. Completing the Leadership Inventory alone will not be considered an Attempt.

So it reads as unless you have gotten the TBNT while at Mesa, post-IOE, you are good to go. This was my case, I applied as Experience Build Entry point and got the TBNT while I had a class date at Mesa. Even during the interview, they had told me if the outcome is TBNT, build 500 hours and come back again next year. Now we don't have to do that.

Also I noticed this;

UAX Entry Point Candidates who desire to join Aviate through the UAX Entry Point are required to complete the United Express carrier’s application and hiring processes. Upon hiring of such Candidate by the applicable United Express carrier, the Candidate may elect to join Aviate by simply opting in during their onboarding process at such United Express carrier or at any time thereafter. Once approved, United will extend an offer to join Aviate to the Candidate via phone or email.

It sounds like we still have to get approved and I don't know what that entails. You opt-in and they look at your interview record and you had a few more speeding tickets than others, or some other skeleton in the closet they didn't like, I don't know.

Round Luggage

Respectfully the benefit is to keep you flying regional aircraft longer rather than shorter. Then in a recession when the market cools the program is “temporarily suspended” and you are still flying regional planes.

HumbleSiPilot77

These are from the Aviate Teams meeting today ;

Aviate program enhancements

Pilots at Aviate participating UAX carriers may opt in to Aviate with no further interviews, applications or assessments

Pilots who opt in will be placed on the Aviate transition list after incumbent participants

Bachelor's degree continues to be preferred across all United pilot hiring.

Aviate participants without a bachelor's degree must serve a minimum of 1,000 flight hours as a Captain at UAX or graduate from United Aviate Academy

United aims to hire up to 24% of the Aviate transition list each year at each participating UAX carrier.

I'm wondering if the wait for the flow can extend to be as long as places like Envoy with 7-8 years since we would be on the bottom of the list. What if you don't make it to that 24% that year, you'd have to wait another year.

N3424V

It’s been confirmed that it’s open to all Mesa pilots

ghostrider717

No, just UA side.

HumbleSiPilot77

If you read the MAG email, it is wrong. Program guide states that you have fly for the benefit of United while building time at the carrier. Also previously applied but turned down candidates can opt-in to Aviate flow provided they did that outside of UAX.


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Htex3333

if we were getting such a big pay increase, why did the union not announce the findings of all the negotiations last week?
instead we were left with what the union received. Now they have to give their response. Really?
In other words, it was so insulting that they could possibly put it out for the pilot group to see, lest they loose even more pilots.

terks43

Here’s the basic fact of the matter. Without a pay raise to at least $51 an hour for FO’s this company will fail soon JO knows that.

N3424V

Then why are CRJ pilots getting opt in/out emails?

NovemberBravo

I assume you can opt in but won’t flow until you complete your UAX hr requirement.