Mesa 4.0 what’s the latest
#1241
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So I'm at about 1200 hours, and am in United's Aviate. I have an interview with Mesa and Gojet next week, I currently hold a CJO from Republic and am a skywest cadet. I have read everything there is to read on these forums. I am currently thinking about potentially taking the Republic offer because I have a lot of friends there that seem to be happy. Mesa seems to have a large bottleneck in training, yet the benefit here is I get to pick the UAX flying. Gojet's plus right now is the update in pay. I live in Nashville and plan to commute. So the question is, which would you choose? Step out of aviate for Republic and take the chance off the street years from now, or go for Mesa/Gojet and stay in the aviate system?
#1242
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Joined APC: Jan 2022
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I just read the Aviate verbiage" you withdraw from Aviate you have to apply through the competitive traditional process. it doesn't go against you and I'm sure the meet and greets and HR will understand a decision to leave to take care of your family and yourself financially. Any company that holds it against you in these times you should not want to be with them anyways. leaving Aviate sucks but who cares go to the terminals talk to any person with United wings be nice be humble ask questions they'll know someone in HR to get your name thrown around. I'm in Aviate myself I don't want to leave it at all. But the wait is tough the pay is tough, having a family and bills like we all do I'm sure is tough to sit and put up with this. In the end United needs to hire a ton of pilots. Aviate is a way to keep it's UAX carriers relevant. $36.36 isn't relevant anymore you can go work at buccees and make more money. I would say if you have a strong background and flying history you can make anything happen for yourself in today's industry. The key is to fly now and get all the time you can before the well drys up. I've been in rough debate and have applied elsewhere. A few calls I'm going to entertain them and see what happens. They're not Aviate partners but they have classdates and simulators to get me going. I know some here hate to read this.. but it's a pilots market right now. We have the upper hand right now. I am choosing to fly get my experience and then go from there. Good-luck to all of you. And if the August class hasn't started that's that's terrible for us behind them .. sitting around atrophying isn't what anyone wants. Mesa refuses to get aggressive and make changes so I guess it's time to cut ties.....
#1243
Idk why you’d jump out of aviate after going through the process to get into it. The backlog at Mesa or the aviate carriers isn’t permanent. Sure the pay is horrendous but you’ve got a ticket to united. Now of course it’s just like flow and isn’t a guarantee but I mean still it’s a pretty solid bet. You’ll soon learn that $36 and $45 and hour don’t make a drastic difference in the long run. All the regionals pay too low. I wound t steer you away from a republic or Skywest other then the reason you’re leaving aviate. I don’t have a crystal ball I have no idea when this training F up will be fixed. Probably summer time. Possibly fall. Maybe I’m biased because UAL is my end goal.
#1244
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Joined APC: Jan 2022
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Idk why you’d jump out of aviate after going through the process to get into it. The backlog at Mesa or the aviate carriers isn’t permanent. Sure the pay is horrendous but you’ve got a ticket to united. Now of course it’s just like flow and isn’t a guarantee but I mean still it’s a pretty solid bet. You’ll soon learn that $36 and $45 and hour don’t make a drastic difference in the long run. All the regionals pay too low. I wound t steer you away from a republic or Skywest other then the reason you’re leaving aviate. I don’t have a crystal ball I have no idea when this training F up will be fixed. Probably summer time. Possibly fall. Maybe I’m biased because UAL is my end goal.
Oh I hear you but like I said everyone is hiring it won't stop. It won't last forever but once again life happens. Kids, bills, wife all need stability. Eveyrones circumstances are different. I'd love to stay for Aviate but I can't say no to other opportunities in the mean time. This wait is brutal and unnecessary. August classes still not in sims yeah this is a sick joke at this point
#1245
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Joined APC: Jul 2019
Posts: 744
Oh I hear you but like I said everyone is hiring it won't stop. It won't last forever but once again life happens. Kids, bills, wife all need stability. Eveyrones circumstances are different. I'd love to stay for Aviate but I can't say no to other opportunities in the mean time. This wait is brutal and unnecessary. August classes still not in sims yeah this is a sick joke at this point
August classes still not in FPTs… which takes a couple weeks before you even get to sims. It’s closer to 8 months for training right now than 6.
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#1247
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Joined APC: Jan 2016
Posts: 450
I just read the Aviate verbiage" you withdraw from Aviate you have to apply through the competitive traditional process. it doesn't go against you and I'm sure the meet and greets and HR will understand a decision to leave to take care of your family and yourself financially. Any company that holds it against you in these times you should not want to be with them anyways. leaving Aviate sucks but who cares go to the terminals talk to any person with United wings be nice be humble ask questions they'll know someone in HR to get your name thrown around. I'm in Aviate myself I don't want to leave it at all. But the wait is tough the pay is tough, having a family and bills like we all do I'm sure is tough to sit and put up with this. In the end United needs to hire a ton of pilots. Aviate is a way to keep it's UAX carriers relevant. $36.36 isn't relevant anymore you can go work at buccees and make more money. I would say if you have a strong background and flying history you can make anything happen for yourself in today's industry. The key is to fly now and get all the time you can before the well drys up. I've been in rough debate and have applied elsewhere. A few calls I'm going to entertain them and see what happens. They're not Aviate partners but they have classdates and simulators to get me going. I know some here hate to read this.. but it's a pilots market right now. We have the upper hand right now. I am choosing to fly get my experience and then go from there. Good-luck to all of you. And if the August class hasn't started that's that's terrible for us behind them .. sitting around atrophying isn't what anyone wants. Mesa refuses to get aggressive and make changes so I guess it's time to cut ties.....
If you seriously think UA won’t hold it against you, you’re crazy and know nothing about this industry. If you’re that big of a tool you can’t due your time at an Aviate partner and get to UAL, you don’t deserve it. Nobody in their right mind would literally pi$$ away an opportunity at UA that you literally have in your hands. Good luck dude. Go be a Republic tool.
#1248
Remember that that's a competitive traditional process. You'll be competing against thousands of pilots who a) didn't resign from a regional during training (usually a huge red flag on its own) and, more importantly, b) didn't bail on Aviate. You might not be categorically excluded from consideration at UAL, but UAL very likely won't consider you kindly.
#1249
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Joined APC: Jun 2018
Posts: 471
If you seriously think UA won’t hold it against you, you’re crazy and know nothing about this industry. If you’re that big of a tool you can’t due your time at an Aviate partner and get to UAL, you don’t deserve it. Nobody in their right mind would literally pi$$ away an opportunity at UA that you literally have in your hands. Good luck dude. Go be a Republic tool.
#1250
The regional with a flow analogy isn't quite the same here. If I went from 9E to PSA, for example, then I'd be giving Delta more reason to hire me, since I'm no longer supporting Delta, and they'd be pilfering from AA.
Aviate is different, because you've already interviewed with United. It's more like getting a CJO from United and saying no thanks.
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