When will training restart
04-21-2021, 07:25 AM
#421
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It’s almost like the loss of 19-24 aircraft on the AA side has some sort of effect on required staffing..... I know, weird. Come on, it’s really not that hard to wrap your head around. Less planes= Less pilots. It’s not rocket science.
And if you think that is bad unless we improve our AA performance just wait until we lose another 10-15 planes in the next 12 months and then a further 10 in the two years that follow that.
And if you think that is bad unless we improve our AA performance just wait until we lose another 10-15 planes in the next 12 months and then a further 10 in the two years that follow that.
04-21-2021, 08:03 AM
#422
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AA was on the verge of bankruptcy, had half their fleet in storage, furloughed a bunch of guys, a lot of whom still have to go back through training, and still pulled it all together before we did. Focusing only on our lost aircraft is small minded. We have an operation besides AA, which is looking great btw, almost like it might make up for our lost AA side. And are we really starting another sky is falling thread?
04-21-2021, 08:23 AM
#423
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There was no fleet growth on the United side. You had 20 CRJ700’s that were replaced by 20 E175’s aka you didn’t actually gain any airframes. Only airframes we have gained in the last 2 years has been 3 737’s add that to the 19-24 lost CRJ900’s you get a total fleet reduction of 16-21 aircraft. This would cause a reduction in total number of pilots of 160-210. This is just basic math, you can’t point to “UA growth offsetting AA reduction” because there has been absolutely no growth on the UA side since the AA fleet reduction. Just a replacement of 20 older aircraft with 20 newer ones.
04-21-2021, 08:24 AM
#424
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There was no fleet growth on the United side. You had 20 CRJ700’s that were replaced by 20 E175’s aka you didn’t actually gain any airframes. Only airframes we have gained in the last 2 years has been 3 737’s add that to the 19-24 lost CRJ900’s you get a total fleet reduction of 16-21 aircraft. This would cause a reduction in total number of pilots of 160-210. This is just basic math, you can’t point to “UA growth offsetting AA reduction” because there has been absolutely no growth on the UA side since the AA fleet reduction. Just a replacement of 20 older aircraft with 20 newer ones.
04-21-2021, 08:45 AM
#425
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So if we were looking at a reduction of pilots, it would occur company wide. If that happened, why would upgrades be occurring and furloughed new hires be coming back at all, let alone to the 175? You can see growth without an increase of aircraft if the aircraft get used more. You seen the block hours for IAH lately? It alone is almost double what we have on the entire AA side.
In fact I’ve done the math and you are dead wrong. There is 17140 hours on the UA side and 12463 on the AA side. If you divide by the number of aircraft on each side you get a rather shocking result. Our AA side is flying 60 hours more per aircraft more per month. UA hours per aircraft is 214.25 and the AA hours per aircraft is 276.95.
04-21-2021, 08:57 AM
#426
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There are 45 aircraft on the American side, there are 80 aircraft on the United side. Do the math. It should be almost double. (Update in reality it’s not even remotely close to double)
In fact I’ve done the math and you are dead wrong. There is 17140 hours on the UA side and 12463 on the AA side. If you divide by the number of aircraft on each side you get a rather shocking result. Our AA side is flying 60 hours more per aircraft more per month. UA hours per aircraft is 214.25 and the AA hours per aircraft is 276.95.
In fact I’ve done the math and you are dead wrong. There is 17140 hours on the UA side and 12463 on the AA side. If you divide by the number of aircraft on each side you get a rather shocking result. Our AA side is flying 60 hours more per aircraft more per month. UA hours per aircraft is 214.25 and the AA hours per aircraft is 276.95.
04-21-2021, 09:03 AM
#427
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1. That is the same yearly goal as they had and achieved before COVID-19 hit.
2. Retirements are ramping up.
3. PAX loads look like they will be resuming to close to near previous levels.
4. Regionals need to hire a few months before pilots jump to the majors. Not for 2022, yet.
5. AA is still doing refresher training for those on furlough. Sounds like they will be starting hiring from the regionals September 2021 or so.
6. Other regionals are starting to hire again.
7. Is Mesa just behind the curve or have they just not announced resumption of hiring?
04-21-2021, 09:11 AM
#428
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So, you are saying 900 by Dec 2022.
1. That is the same yearly goal as they had and achieved before COVID-19 hit.
2. Retirements are ramping up.
3. PAX loads look like they will be resuming to close to near previous levels.
4. Regionals need to hire a few months before pilots jump to the majors. Not for 2022, yet.
5. AA is still doing refresher training for those on furlough. Sounds like they will be starting hiring from the regionals September 2021 or so.
6. Other regionals are starting to hire again.
7. Is Mesa just behind the curve or have they just not announced resumption of hiring?
1. That is the same yearly goal as they had and achieved before COVID-19 hit.
2. Retirements are ramping up.
3. PAX loads look like they will be resuming to close to near previous levels.
4. Regionals need to hire a few months before pilots jump to the majors. Not for 2022, yet.
5. AA is still doing refresher training for those on furlough. Sounds like they will be starting hiring from the regionals September 2021 or so.
6. Other regionals are starting to hire again.
7. Is Mesa just behind the curve or have they just not announced resumption of hiring?
04-21-2021, 09:23 AM
#429
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How many furloughees does Mesa have at the moment? When will they be down to zero?
AA “ton of metal” retired was less than 10% of their fleet. They were planning on retiring most of them in the next few years, anyway.
Everyone, except those who retired, will be back by the end of the summer.
It appears aircraft are coming out of being parked as soon as they can get maintenance checks and repairs done, in addition to keeping the current flying fleet flying.
I cannot speak to Mesa amounts of AA flying; same, less, none, or more.
AA “ton of metal” retired was less than 10% of their fleet. They were planning on retiring most of them in the next few years, anyway.
Everyone, except those who retired, will be back by the end of the summer.
It appears aircraft are coming out of being parked as soon as they can get maintenance checks and repairs done, in addition to keeping the current flying fleet flying.
I cannot speak to Mesa amounts of AA flying; same, less, none, or more.
04-21-2021, 10:32 AM
#430
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How many furloughees does Mesa have at the moment? When will they be down to zero?
AA “ton of metal” retired was less than 10% of their fleet. They were planning on retiring most of them in the next few years, anyway.
Everyone, except those who retired, will be back by the end of the summer.
It appears aircraft are coming out of being parked as soon as they can get maintenance checks and repairs done, in addition to keeping the current flying fleet flying.
I cannot speak to Mesa amounts of AA flying; same, less, none, or more.
AA “ton of metal” retired was less than 10% of their fleet. They were planning on retiring most of them in the next few years, anyway.
Everyone, except those who retired, will be back by the end of the summer.
It appears aircraft are coming out of being parked as soon as they can get maintenance checks and repairs done, in addition to keeping the current flying fleet flying.
I cannot speak to Mesa amounts of AA flying; same, less, none, or more.
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