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Old 12-16-2008, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
The 737 flying is some of the best in the company. That is why it goes so senior. Lots of turns to the islands
Ahem. Just so nobody misunderstands- pure lines of island turns on the 737 go 18+ years for F/O and 22+ years for Captain. Most Captains flying island turns on the 737 could hold a line on the 777. Just saying so nobody gets delusions of what they will fly.

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Old 12-16-2008, 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Cramped cockpit with a overhead panel off a B-17 merged with a state of the art glareshield and instrument panel. Very strange for a modern aircraft.
You can thank SWA for that overhead. The 73NG could have had a 757 nose (much quieter) and 76-400 type avionics and systems.
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Old 12-24-2008, 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Hawaii50
You can thank SWA for that overhead. The 73NG could have had a 757 nose (much quieter) and 76-400 type avionics and systems.
I knew Southwest was responsible for the 1960s vintage overhead panel but I didn't know they did the same with the nose design. That's harder to forgive.
The overhead is a minor annoyance but the noise level in the cockpit is far and away the bigger drawback to the 737. The trips on Delta's 737s are sweet with all the Caribbean flying but its tempting to bid the Maddog or 767 just to save my hearing.

Its a wonder the SWA guys aren't all deaf by the end of their careers.
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They are deaf, that's why they're smilin' all the time.
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Originally Posted by Hawaii50
You can thank SWA for that overhead. The 73NG could have had a 757 nose (much quieter) and 76-400 type avionics and systems.
Never seen or read anything on this. Source?
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Because it was never was supposed to happen with the 737NG. At one time, Boeing toyed with the idea of re-nosing the 737-300 with a 757 nose, but due to massive cost and recertification issues, the design was scrapped. Southwest had nothing to do with this decision.

Interestingly enough, the 757 was designed to have a 727 nose, but went with the current design to match production design of the 767, as well as increase cockpit space and reduce noise.
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Interestingly enough, the 757 was designed to have a 727 nose, but went with the current design to match production design of the 767, as well as increase cockpit space and reduce noise.
The 757 evolution is interesting in that United and I think TWA (maybe Eastern) rejected Boeing's offering of the 727-300 which used the JT8D200 series engines. It never got off paper but as someone has posted, the 757 went through a number of designs including using the T-tail.



The 757 and 767 were/are very easy airplanes to fly. Throttles to idle at 50ft on the 767 and 30ft on the 757. The rule was the 757 was the airplane to be seen flying. The 767 was the better handling of the two.
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I never knew about the T tail - made it look very Soviet-esque/Eastern European...needed to be painted in baby blue and zinc chromite color scheme with oversized tires.

Thanks for posting!
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I never knew about the T tail - made it look very Soviet-esque/Eastern European...needed to be painted in baby blue and zinc chromite color scheme with oversized tires.

Thanks for posting!
Forgotten in history is the 757 languished for a long time with white tails lining the ramp in Seattle. It took quite a while before orders started coming in.

The 727-300 never made it beyond paper and there were various efforts including two concepts which did away with the FE. One incorporated many ideas including automatic reconfiguring of air and bleed for engine starts and air conditioning packs, an electrical heirachy like the DC-9/MD-80 along with other improvements. The other essentially moved switches and lights to the front just increasing workload. And neither moved beyond engineering mockups.
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I never flew the 75/76 - looks really nice and I hope to get there someday.

To answer the OP question, the trips on the -800 are, for the most part, really nice if you're in the top third. Lots o' long haul domestic and Latin America stuff. Great layovers. Like every other fleet at every airline, trips can be really bad if you're junior. My most unpleasant memory of an -800 trip was BOS-LAX - 7+10 flying time...felt like I'd been kicked really hard in the head by the time we got there. I never really knew how bad the airplane made me feel until I got off it - noisy and cramped - not a lot of creature comforts...flew the -200 and -800 for ten years in ignornant bliss, uncomfortably numb.

I'm in the minority here I know, but I love the MD88. Quiet and short legs. Something for everybody, I guess.
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