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#21
Gets Weekends Off
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Joined APC: May 2008
Position: VEOP Retired! 7ER A was last position
Posts: 978
Well the DAL list gives ALL nwa pilots a negative effect on the list and ALL DAL pilots a positive effect on seniority. Sound familiar? Its not fair when your on the other side of the line huh? Your sides proposal does exactly what you're complaining about but in reverse. Only proves that both sides proposals aren't "fair" to ALL or MOST involved.
Are you looking at the numbers??? The NWA guy gains 14% with your proposal and only loses 2% on the Delta plan. And as I showed, 2 different Delta guys only gain either 1% or nothing in the Delta plan but lose 7 and 9 % in NWA's plan. You lump these plans together as if they are equally unfair. Wake up and be honest with everyone. How can NWA justify a 14% gain for NWA pilots in their plan. The epitomy of a windfall.
Cog
#22
Super,
Are you looking at the numbers??? The NWA guy gains 14% with your proposal and only loses 2% on the Delta plan. And as I showed, 2 different Delta guys only gain either 1% or nothing in the Delta plan but lose 7 and 9 % in NWA's plan. You lump these plans together as if they are equally unfair. Wake up and be honest with everyone. How can NWA justify a 14% gain for NWA pilots in their plan. The epitomy of a windfall.
Cog
Are you looking at the numbers??? The NWA guy gains 14% with your proposal and only loses 2% on the Delta plan. And as I showed, 2 different Delta guys only gain either 1% or nothing in the Delta plan but lose 7 and 9 % in NWA's plan. You lump these plans together as if they are equally unfair. Wake up and be honest with everyone. How can NWA justify a 14% gain for NWA pilots in their plan. The epitomy of a windfall.
Cog
Your seeing what you want to see. I atleast can admit that both sides proposals have their issues, yet you try to portray the DAL list as "Fair". Be honest with yourself and at least admit that neither side is FAIR.
Even the arbitrators spoke up and said neither proposal was going to be selected in its whole. They viewed the proposals as opposites so its ok for you to admit it . Like i said both sides proposals should be viewed by the opposite side as the worst case scenario.
#23
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Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: B757/767
Posts: 13,088
Super,
Are you looking at the numbers??? The NWA guy gains 14% with your proposal and only loses 2% on the Delta plan. And as I showed, 2 different Delta guys only gain either 1% or nothing in the Delta plan but lose 7 and 9 % in NWA's plan. You lump these plans together as if they are equally unfair. Wake up and be honest with everyone. How can NWA justify a 14% gain for NWA pilots in their plan. The epitomy of a windfall.
Cog
Are you looking at the numbers??? The NWA guy gains 14% with your proposal and only loses 2% on the Delta plan. And as I showed, 2 different Delta guys only gain either 1% or nothing in the Delta plan but lose 7 and 9 % in NWA's plan. You lump these plans together as if they are equally unfair. Wake up and be honest with everyone. How can NWA justify a 14% gain for NWA pilots in their plan. The epitomy of a windfall.
Cog
Both plans are unfair. Why should a NWA guy hired in 2001 be junior to a DAL guy hired in 2008? Why should any NWA pilot hired post 9-11 be junior to a DAL pilot hired after him? Unfair. The arbitrators have stated this is merger of equals, looks like we'll just have to wait for their decision.
#24
Super,
Are you looking at the numbers??? The NWA guy gains 14% with your proposal and only loses 2% on the Delta plan. And as I showed, 2 different Delta guys only gain either 1% or nothing in the Delta plan but lose 7 and 9 % in NWA's plan. You lump these plans together as if they are equally unfair. Wake up and be honest with everyone. How can NWA justify a 14% gain for NWA pilots in their plan. The epitomy of a windfall.
Cog
Are you looking at the numbers??? The NWA guy gains 14% with your proposal and only loses 2% on the Delta plan. And as I showed, 2 different Delta guys only gain either 1% or nothing in the Delta plan but lose 7 and 9 % in NWA's plan. You lump these plans together as if they are equally unfair. Wake up and be honest with everyone. How can NWA justify a 14% gain for NWA pilots in their plan. The epitomy of a windfall.
Cog
#25
Gets Weekends Off
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Joined APC: May 2008
Position: VEOP Retired! 7ER A was last position
Posts: 978
Both plans are unfair. Why should a NWA guy hired in 2001 be junior to a DAL guy hired in 2008? Why should any NWA pilot hired post 9-11 be junior to a DAL pilot hired after him? Unfair. The arbitrators have stated this is merger of equals, looks like we'll just have to wait for their decision.
#26
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Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: B757/767
Posts: 13,088
You can argue with me all you want, but our opinions are meaningless. Neither one of us are involved in the arbitration. And in their eyes, neither list is fair. Cry all ya want, but the only opinions that matter are the arbitrators, and they agree with me.
#28
Carl
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Actually, Roberts did work. The 20 year fence was very manageable. NWA pilots grew into the airplanes they brought to the merger. Almost 1,000 Republic pilots retired as Captains on the 747-400, 747-200, DC-10 and A-330 - none of which they brought to the merger. I still think both sides did pretty well.
Carl
Carl
#30
I would not get worked up. I go from 9 percent on the DAL list to 22 percent on the combined lists. The arbitrators have already stated that neither proposal will be the final product. They will let each side know which way they are leaning in the next couple of weeks in a attempt to force a agreement. If there is no agreement then they will make a ruling. It wont look like the proposal from either side. I hope I do better then going from able to hold 777 CA as a lineholder at both bases to a narrow body CA that the NWA proposal would grant me and I feel fairly safe the arbitrators will see it that way. Arbitration is a crapshoot however and nothing is for sure. That is why a negotiated agreement is in everyones best interest. NWA has proven fences don't work so I do not see that as a major component of any award.
Carl
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