CE750

your attitude is worse that V's..

let me paraphrase you..


"I want to work for less, so my company can let my fly shiny new jets for a longer time than if I worked for more. I don't care about the 60+ years or workrules and gains made by the mainline carriers, ALPA and APA because I can't see past my nose at the big picture" ME ME ME ME ME...

Typical in todays libertine culture.

Velocipede

Pretty much the same justifications scabs use to cross picket lines. Don't forget: If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, its a duck!

Skyone

Just a few simple no nonsense questions, limeface. The day you went to work for CAL, what was the going rate? I will tell you, it was a whole lot less than the majority of legacies were paying. So by your definition, you too sir, are a scab. Have you worked your way back? You bet. But how did you justify taking that job when you were undercutting my pay? Why didn't you go to work for American, Delta, NWA who all were doing pretty damn well when you got hired? Why would you go to work for that bottom feeder that was manned by scabs and had done more to hurt the airline industry than just about anything? Did CAL revote to have a union when you got hired?

Your NYAir buddies were branded scabs by many, ask them. Were they? They didn't cross any picket lines, but they were flying TexasAir airplanes moved to NYAir. You see them as scabs? You sure throw that word around a lot. So why would you want to go work for an airline that had so many "scabs" since you seem to have such a holier than thou attitude. I would never defend someone who crosses an active picket line, but to label someone taking a new job with new aircraft as a scab actually lessens the impact of the word. Are you being forced from your seat to be replaced by someone younger or cheaper?

Come on Limeface, a few answers beside your cutsie one liners. You also remind me of the duck-quack (scab) quack (scab) quack (scab).

CE750

In the end CAL IS a union operator.. period.

Skyone

TODAY they are.........But when he got hired in the late 80s, early 90s? How did a union help PanAm, Braniff, TWA, Ozark, Eastern, AirAtlanta, National, AirCal? How did a union represent and help the retired and soon to be retired pilots at United, USAir, and Delta? And this from a 25 year dues paying, assessment paying, former MEC member, former national committe member of ALPA. Like I keep saying, CAL during and just after Lorenzo probably did more damage to our profession than deregulation, high gas prices, Republicans, and 9/11 put together. But today.....a great airline, a great UNION airline and today's darling of the legacies. Did Limeface see this when he got hired? Doubtful. He wanted a friggin job. But he sure undercut me. Someone please tell me when did CAL opt for a union after ALPA was tossed originally and how long were they ununionized and unrepresented?

C'mon Major LimeFace, some little info on your job search when you were fresh out of the corp, snce you are so quick to criticize those now looking.

navinalign

So your definition of a scab is any pilot that goes to work for an airline that does not have a union. The last airline I worked for did not have a union when I was hired but we voted one in. I VOTED THE UNION IN! So If I got hired at VA and and we vote in a union than I am still a scab in your eyes.
So according to your logic all of the founders of ALPA were scabs because they got hired by non union airlines.

NE_Pilot

If you got hired at VA you would a be a supporter of cabotage, something that is argueably worse than a scab, because you aren't just lowering pay, you are dismantaling the whole US Airline industry, one forgien airline gets in, so do the rest, and that means all the Asian carriers will be coming in, and there is no way to compete with those nations, they can (and have) do it for less. Ontop of that, they will avoid a great majority of the taxes which the American carrier will get stuck with. Flying for a non-union carrier is one thing, flying for a forgien carrier on domestic routes, thats a totally different ball game, the ramifications for that far excede those of scabs.

Caboteurs will end up ruining the American air carrier by opening the gates for these Asian carriers to come in and cleanup shop, these countries have already proven they can do everything else for less, so they sure as hell can fly our domestic routes for less.

CE750

so then applying your logic to other things..

If I visit and do business with South Africa today, I'm a racist..

If I am a Roman Catholic today, I support The Spanish Enquisition, and other problems over the 2000 year history of the Church.

etc..

Things need to be seen in the CONTEXT of the times.. WE HAVE well established union operations to work for today that are hiring. It's your selfishness and greed and desire to be a "big fish, in a little pond" that drives to to VA and others so that you can ride the top of the heap over there. In the mean time, you're going to ALWAYS be paid less than the same A320 pilot at the "Legacies" and at the same time creating competition to his airline with your (very likely) more productive work rules, and pay, benefits matrix.

Scab, no.. I'd not go that far (sorry V), but it's not much better in terms of the effect on the state of our profession.

Velocipede

Get a grip, man. You vote in a Union, you're a Union member. How about thinking BEFORE you post?

Fred Flintstone

I asked lime face where he was when I was walking with the UAL guys in '85, or paying assessments to EAL, CAL or even Comair. He never answered that question. A typical side line heckler and like that preacher that got caught puffing peters after his fire & brimstone anti gay sermons.

Best to just ignore his single minded rants. He better hope he never suffers a career reset as he will love eating his words.