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Old 09-15-2016, 12:22 PM
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Thank you everyone for your feedback! To give closure to this scenario, the payroll department had access to the tail numbers via crewtrac. I'm buying her lunch, thanking her profusely, and committing to never do it again. She appreciated my sincerity.

For the sake of the conversation, does is anyone familiar with exactly what DAL UAL do with the logbooks? I would assume the same basic stuff that regionals and majors do, checking for common math errors or entering data under the improper categories etc is a gimme. Do they perform any means of verifications like on flight aware or something? As I said I solved my problem so my logbook is clean to my knowledge, I just like to try my best to know what I'm in for.

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Old 09-15-2016, 12:25 PM
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Old 09-15-2016, 12:30 PM
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There is a DOT database for all domestic flights that includes reg#s. I actually found it via the forums -- I don't have the link for it though.
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Old 09-15-2016, 02:14 PM
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I do not log N#'s. I log the model and the flight number. We shall see how that pans out.
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Old 09-15-2016, 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by TonyC
Your point?

Perhaps you can enlighten us by sharing the citation from the CFR that makes recording the N-number mandatory. In fact, while you're at it, you should show us what items are required for the logbook, what color the pages should be, and how many lines and columns should be displayed per page. Oh, and I've always wondered, should I be logging time as hours and minutes or as hours and tenths?


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There is no citation. It's about "attention to detail", something that the guy/gal sitting across from the candidate at the interview table will notice an apparent lack of. So go ahead and roll your eyes. If you think not keeping track of something as simple as tail numbers won't affect an outcome at an interview, then by all means, don't bother with the information. Impress the interviewer with your knowledge of CFR's and how you're only required to log for currency anyways.

In today's hiring market one can certainly afford that attitude.

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I have been told by interviewers at actual interviews that they like to see comments about each flight in the remarks section.
In 40 years, nobody has commented on lack of entries in the comment section of my logbook.
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Old 09-15-2016, 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by gringo

There is no citation. It's about "attention to detail", something that the guy/gal sitting across from the candidate at the interview table will notice an apparent lack of. So go ahead and roll your eyes. If you think not keeping track of something as simple as tail numbers won't affect an outcome at an interview, then by all means, don't bother with the information. Impress the interviewer with your knowledge of CFR's and how you're only required to log for currency anyways.

In today's hiring market one can certainly afford that attitude.



If I thought keeping track of something as simple as tail numbers would affect an outcome at an interview, I would not have told the OP, "NO BIG DEAL." In today's hiring market, I am absolutely positive it would not be a problem.

I've already impressed the last interviewer I will ever need to impress, but I'm sure you're the interview expert, so feel free to preach your opinion as gospel. Black ink or blue? I've heard some interviewers want to see blue ink so they'll know it's original, and not a photocopy.






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Old 09-16-2016, 12:04 AM
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Man, never put a tail # in, just model, and never a comment, not one. Guess I'll have to stay at AA. Glad I don't have to interview now.
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Old 09-16-2016, 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Raeamb1
Thank you everyone for your feedback! To give closure to this scenario, the payroll department had access to the tail numbers via crewtrac. I'm buying her lunch, thanking her profusely, and committing to never do it again. She appreciated my sincerity.

For the sake of the conversation, does is anyone familiar with exactly what DAL UAL do with the logbooks? I would assume the same basic stuff that regionals and majors do, checking for common math errors or entering data under the improper categories etc is a gimme. Do they perform any means of verifications like on flight aware or something? As I said I solved my problem so my logbook is clean to my knowledge, I just like to try my best to know what I'm in for.

"If you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles" -Art of War

Thanks again for the helpful feedback
When I interviewed at UAL they collected the logbooks at the beginning and gave them back at the end. Never asked anything about them. I had all paper logbooks and there were sections from early on that definitely weren't the neatest. I flagged any check ride failures and made a printout that basically summarized the times and check rides that were included in each logbook so they didn't have to dig if they were verifying my info. From what I've heard they basically flip through them to make sure they appear legit. They aren't going through them line by line with a fine tooth comb. The only thing I've heard of people having issues with is if they falsify something.
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Originally Posted by TonyC
Your point?

Perhaps you can enlighten us by sharing the citation from the CFR that makes recording the N-number mandatory.
Originally Posted by CFR §61.51 Pilot logbooks.
§61.51 Pilot logbooks.
(a) Training time and aeronautical experience. Each person must document and record the following time in a manner acceptable to the Administrator:

(1) Training and aeronautical experience used to meet the requirements for a certificate, rating, or flight review of this part.

(2) The aeronautical experience required for meeting the recent flight experience requirements of this part.

(b) Logbook entries. For the purposes of meeting the requirements of paragraph (a) of this section, each person must enter the following information for each flight or lesson logged:

(1) General—

(i) Date.

(ii) Total flight time or lesson time.

(iii) Location where the aircraft departed and arrived, or for lessons in a flight simulator or flight training device, the location where the lesson occurred.

(iv) Type and identification of aircraft, flight simulator, flight training device, or aviation training device, as appropriate.

(v) The name of a safety pilot, if required by §91.109 of this chapter.
I always thought when it asked for the identification of the aircraft, they meant N-number. Who knows... But I also log the name of who I'm flying with and the type of approach I did and the location.

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