Logbook and aircraft tail numbers
09-15-2016, 06:04 AM
#11
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Yet another reason why keeping an electronic logbook on your phone makes 1000% sense. Your logbook is fully up to date as soon as you copy the OOOI times once L1 or cargo door opens.
Absolutely no reason whatsoever why anyone's logbooks are not 100% accurate and up to date in this day and age.
But if it helps, you're not the only one; recently I flew with a Captain who showed me his logbook. Each and every one of his flights while at Spirit had A319/N5XXNK listed in the aircraft type/tail number block.
Each and every one.
Absolutely no reason whatsoever why anyone's logbooks are not 100% accurate and up to date in this day and age.
But if it helps, you're not the only one; recently I flew with a Captain who showed me his logbook. Each and every one of his flights while at Spirit had A319/N5XXNK listed in the aircraft type/tail number block.
Each and every one.
09-15-2016, 07:01 AM
#12
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But what jobs? Corporate? Regionals? LCCs? Legacies? I only ask because whether or not it's a good idea could be inversely proportional to the quality of airline you're applying to. Full disclosure: I'm not looking down my nose at anyone, logbook control has never particularly been my strong suit, but I manage.
09-15-2016, 07:09 AM
#13
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But what jobs? Corporate? Regionals? LCCs? Legacies? I only ask because whether or not it's a good idea could be inversely proportional to the quality of airline you're applying to. Full disclosure: I'm not looking down my nose at anyone, logbook control has never particularly been my strong suit, but I manage.
Every interview I've ever been to, the logbook review was a formality. They really just want to see it nice and neat and document the time on your resume/application. . You'd be amazed how many people walk in with a stack of pocket logbooks, or something years out of date.
Stop sweating the small stuff. So many of you miss the forest for the trees.
09-15-2016, 08:35 AM
#14
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I fill in the remarks section with info for two reasons. It is great to go back and get a memory back for an interview question and the second reason is that I have been told by interviewers at actual interviews that they like to see comments about each flight in the remarks section.
09-15-2016, 08:41 AM
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Most folks bring their originals, a printed/bound copy of their electronic (if applicable) and done. I switched to electronic years back, updated all my hours in it, printed it at Kinkos prior to interview and not a word was asked of my logbook.
Make it easy on yourself folks.
09-15-2016, 08:46 AM
#16
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That was my point. Not saying my way is the best way but it works for me. When I get home I fill out the logbook while it is fresh in my head. Takes about 5 minutes tops.
I then get an interview, I review the logbook and read the remarks and boom without much work I have a ton of stories to tell when they ask the "tell me about a time" question.
If another way works best for you then go with it.
I then get an interview, I review the logbook and read the remarks and boom without much work I have a ton of stories to tell when they ask the "tell me about a time" question.
If another way works best for you then go with it.
09-15-2016, 09:52 AM
#17
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Q: I don't have all the information needed for my logbook. Should I just go ahead and lie about it?
A: When in doubt, and uncertain about accuracy or details, your first inclination is to lie? I'm not sure where it is but some company might like the way you think.
As an interviewer said - the people who get turned down often make it a pretty easy decision. Lying or falsifcation, especially of your logbook, is one of them.
A: When in doubt, and uncertain about accuracy or details, your first inclination is to lie? I'm not sure where it is but some company might like the way you think.
As an interviewer said - the people who get turned down often make it a pretty easy decision. Lying or falsifcation, especially of your logbook, is one of them.
His first inclination, if you possess any reading comprehension skills whatsoever, was to try and find the info.
09-15-2016, 10:08 AM
#18
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Perhaps you can enlighten us by sharing the citation from the CFR that makes recording the N-number mandatory. In fact, while you're at it, you should show us what items are required for the logbook, what color the pages should be, and how many lines and columns should be displayed per page. Oh, and I've always wondered, should I be logging time as hours and minutes or as hours and tenths?
To the OP: Leave it blank. If anybody asks, tell the truth, the same story you just told us. You didn't record your individual flights because you knew the information was recorded on your scheduling website. When you went to transfer a year's worth of flights, you realized that system did not include N-numbers. NO BIG DEAL.
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09-15-2016, 10:23 AM
#19
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My logbook had some sections with no tail numbers, for pretty much the same reason. I addressed the situation by preserving the source documentation (military flight records in my case) so that if the logbook is ever questioned, I have source documentation.
It sounds like you could print out the old schedule documentation, and then in your logbook just write a note stating that the tail number data is lost and to refer to source documents, which you can have saved/scanned/printed/bound to have available whenever necessary.
Preserving my military flight records is on my to-do list. I have them all photocopied which is what I brought to interviews, and the originals are locked up with my military records for safe keeping.
It sounds like you could print out the old schedule documentation, and then in your logbook just write a note stating that the tail number data is lost and to refer to source documents, which you can have saved/scanned/printed/bound to have available whenever necessary.
Preserving my military flight records is on my to-do list. I have them all photocopied which is what I brought to interviews, and the originals are locked up with my military records for safe keeping.
09-15-2016, 10:42 AM
#20
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Your point?
Perhaps you can enlighten us by sharing the citation from the CFR that makes recording the N-number mandatory. In fact, while you're at it, you should show us what items are required for the logbook, what color the pages should be, and how many lines and columns should be displayed per page. Oh, and I've always wondered, should I be logging time as hours and minutes or as hours and tenths?
To the OP: Leave it blank. If anybody asks, tell the truth, the same story you just told us. You didn't record your individual flights because you knew the information was recorded on your scheduling website. When you went to transfer a year's worth of flights, you realized that system did not include N-numbers. NO BIG DEAL.
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Perhaps you can enlighten us by sharing the citation from the CFR that makes recording the N-number mandatory. In fact, while you're at it, you should show us what items are required for the logbook, what color the pages should be, and how many lines and columns should be displayed per page. Oh, and I've always wondered, should I be logging time as hours and minutes or as hours and tenths?
To the OP: Leave it blank. If anybody asks, tell the truth, the same story you just told us. You didn't record your individual flights because you knew the information was recorded on your scheduling website. When you went to transfer a year's worth of flights, you realized that system did not include N-numbers. NO BIG DEAL.
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N-number not required information.
Now, perhaps mother Delta may want it, but it's not required information. Leave it blank, guess the numbers, put NxxxRD. Doesn't matter.
Now, if it were a Japanese logbook... I can tell you that it is illegal not to put the tail number, and they will refuse to upgrade you! They may, depending on their mood, fail your next PC over it. Further, you must write every single flight number. Ha! Oh, and every single flight, the PIC of the flight (even if that's you), must sign that entry. Every. Flight.
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