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Old 03-30-2016, 06:49 AM
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This is why I never take financial advice from fellow pilots..... They think they know ALL. Just hope it's not Super senior seniority Alaska doing the buying. Either way good luck to all.
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Old 03-30-2016, 06:54 AM
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So if it turns into a three way, should jetblue pilots expect relative seniority with Alaska?

We are bigger, and have more growth. The twenty years at the airline their number one has over our number one shouldn't matter at all right?

ALPA merger policy is a recommendation that should be followed, it does not dictate an end result.
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Old 03-30-2016, 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by FUDolphin
So if it turns into a three way, should jetblue pilots expect relative seniority with Alaska?

We are bigger, and have more growth. The twenty years at the airline their number one has over our number one shouldn't matter at all right?

ALPA merger policy is a recommendation that should be followed, it does not dictate an end result.
Well... no. The Mckaskill-Bond Act says that if the company's unions have a method of integrating the lists (ALPA merger) than it will be followed, unless there is something specific in your current contract that dictates how it will be done, without company interference. ALPA merger basically says if your merger reps can't negotiate an agreement, binding arbitration will decide. That isn't a recommendation.
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Old 03-30-2016, 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by DickBurns
Well... no. The Mckaskill-Bond Act says that if the company's unions have a method of integrating the lists (ALPA merger) than it will be followed, unless there is something specific in your current contract that dictates how it will be done, without company interference. ALPA merger basically says if your merger reps can't negotiate an agreement, binding arbitration will decide. That isn't a recommendation.
Right. So is the arbitrator bound by ALPA merger policy to integrate by percentage? No one is. It's a guideline.
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Old 03-30-2016, 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by FUDolphin
Right. So is the arbitrator bound by ALPA merger policy to integrate by percentage? No one is. It's a guideline.
No... how he sees fit. Not by a bunch of pilots emotional bi***ing. Want to annoy an arbitrator? Send someone like you in to pitch your case on how it should go.
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Old 03-30-2016, 07:32 AM
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No... how he sees fit. Not by a bunch of pilots emotional bi***ing. Want to annoy an arbitrator? Send someone like you in to pitch your case on how it should go.
Exactly, ALPA merger policy amounts to hollow words.

Back to the DOH as best case discussion.
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Old 03-30-2016, 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by DickBurns
Well... no. The Mckaskill-Bond Act says that if the company's unions have a method of integrating the lists (ALPA merger) than it will be followed, unless there is something specific in your current contract that dictates how it will be done, without company interference. ALPA merger basically says if your merger reps can't negotiate an agreement, binding arbitration will decide. That isn't a recommendation.
What is the trigger for McCaskill Bond.

An any and all transactions or only a Transactional that is a "covered transaction" i.e one that initially contemplates a merger of operations.

IOW if the deal is like Guadalupe then McCaskill Bond never kicks.
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Old 03-30-2016, 07:36 AM
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You geniuses keep arguing. I don't have a dog in this hypothetical goat rope.
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Old 03-30-2016, 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
I've flown with a few "seasoned" spirit pilots that have told be that Jetblue pilots are even more arrogant than delta pilots and are always looking down at spirit like they are somehow better pilots.

I always responded that I had plenty of friends at Jetblue all of which are great guys and I've never had a problem jumpseating or any real reason to classify the Jetblue pilots as dicks. After this thread I can see how this opinion could be easily formed. It's unbelievable some of the opinions here.
I think my fellow jetBlue pilots are responding out of fear. The only thing that makes our lower pay scales "palatable" is the short upgrades here. This will impact the organic growth and thus pay. However, put yourself in the shoes of our VX brethren who may cut in line, but may also be jobless as a result of this. Also keep in mind that big picture this could lead to widebodies that much sooner as our domestic map will get much more healthy. It may also make us less palatable to SWA (20 year upgrades anyone?)

Also our hot young FA/dude with faux hawk ratio will improve. ;-)
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Old 03-30-2016, 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by PasserOGas
I think my fellow jetBlue pilots are responding out of fear. The only thing that makes our lower pay scales "palatable" is the short upgrades here. This will impact the organic growth and thus pay. However, put yourself in the shoes of our VX brethren who may cut in line, but may also be jobless as a result of this. Also keep in mind that big picture this could lead to widebodies that much sooner as our domestic map will get much more healthy. It may also make us less palatable to SWA (20 year upgrades anyone?)

Also our hot young FA/dude with faux hawk ratio will improve. ;-)
Widebodies? Management is supposed to dangle the carrots, not fellow pilots.

Our buisness model is code sharing.
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